Joe Louis and the Blackburn Crouch

Is there a reason why? I would think it was the opposite seeing how if your lead hand fails and they are aiming at your head, you still have your rear hand left.

Also, its damn hard to slip to the inside with this guard lol (even though slipping to the inside is generally considered a big no-no).

If you parry with lead hand they still have their right hand available,parry with rear hand and it creates an angle and takes away their right hand
 
Sorry for bumping, but still - great thread, so I think - no harm done.

So would you stand more upright / less rear hip heavy when doing MMA?
I feel like I leave a bit front foot for sweeps or single leg for my opponent to grap, especially against judoka.
And following - if a judoka has bouncy in-out style how would you stop him? Every time I land a jab - he's gone, can't really follow up. Catch him on the way in?
 
Sorry for bumping, but still - great thread, so I think - no harm done.

So would you stand more upright / less rear hip heavy when doing MMA?
I feel like I leave a bit front foot for sweeps or single leg for my opponent to grap, especially against judoka.
And following - if a judoka has bouncy in-out style how would you stop him? Every time I land a jab - he's gone, can't really follow up. Catch him on the way in?

If a guy has to attack coming forward rather its walking straight in or in and out he can be timed.
 
This is a classic thread. Lewis was a beast. So damn heavy handed.
He was always in control with such little movement.

Control with both hands. Break opponent guard down, control their posture.
Good jab, right hand, LH.

Id love to be able to fight like that. He just stays so calm and in control, Its hard to maintain that against someone who is very active with their feet and has good speed.
 
This is a classic thread. Lewis was a beast. So damn heavy handed.
He was always in control with such little movement.

Control with both hands. Break opponent guard down, control their posture.
Good jab, right hand, LH.

Id love to be able to fight like that. He just stays so calm and in control, Its hard to maintain that against someone who is very active with their feet and has good speed.

Louis, Joe Lewis was another guy:

 
Hey Joe Lewis was an excellent fighter.
 
Another good breakdown -

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Louis' double left hook seems to rely on the static position of the opponent.
Joe Frazier used to be bend at the waist and make a step forward when he doubled his left hook.
 
Louis' double left hook seems to rely on the static position of the opponent.
Joe Frazier used to be bend at the waist and make a step forward when he doubled his left hook.

I also thought about that ... But may be it is because his opponent is really static in that situation ...
 
Another good breakdown -

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Man that guy just doesn't speak well.

Pretty good video anyway though. I like the part about throwing right hands to the body, and how he made a point that Louis' lead hand was so important.
 
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Note the fold of the rear hip, and that his shoulders do not hunch forward. They're big, but they're not curled forward. The bend is at the rear hip. What this translates to is good posture while in hitting position:

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Maybe it was already discussed somewhere in the course of the thread, but I wonder about Joe's lead hook. Did he "release" his rear hip / shifted everything over to the lead hip, so to speak, when he threw the lead hook?

The way Lamon Brewster explains it here, it seems like you have to.

 
Joe did that, yes, at times. But is it a MUST to throw a hard hook? No.
 
Great, great video !
Boxers back then were very skilled. Also boxers from Europe and not only US.

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So many advanced techniques that Schmeling was doing - I wonder why a lot of people say, that boxers back then were less skilled technically than they are now.

What did surprise me is some slick head movement that Schmeling was using - I thought that was done mostly in US - especially back then. You literally see stuff that people praise Floyd so much for. And this is done by a guy like 70 years ago in Europe !
 
Anyone who thinks fighters now are MORE technical is merely misguided, or ignorant.
 
There are a lot of people who think so. Though I have never seen them point to anything specific that those "ancient" guys were not able to do as opposed to the modern fighters.

But biggest surprise to me in this video is a head movement. Not that often you see this from guys from Europe, who mostly rely on footwork for defense.
 
They don't have their hands up! And they don't have "good footwork" I.e. bouncing around on their toes.
 

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