I just thought of another aspect of this whole debate people ignore or forget. The majority of the people who do bjj especially the hobbyists who are from a suburban/white collar/hypster background and most of the time work desk jobs/management positions.. which makes sense. That demographic has the money and free time to pay for and do bjj. A significant portion also comes from people who both never worked blue collar jobs that get you strong, nor did they do athletics. Also, the people who are most frequently "critisicized" for using too much strength 90% of the time are.. Wrestlers and white belts coming in from a blue collar job that gets you strong (masonry, construction, bailing hay, etc). In fact you can see a lot of people don't understand how strong it can make you because on another thread a significant amount of people were trying to say "old man strength" doesn't exist
My point being, it's not just a nerd vs jock/bjj vs wrestling thing (which it is some of the time, it's pointless to deny). It also comes from the fact a lot of bjj hobbyists are coming from a desk job and don't understand physicality at first or what used to be the baseline strength level of the average population before the digital age
Wow, nice generalization and plenty of speculation too. lol
So, the "honorable" blue collar v. the "hipster" white collar. That's really what this crap thread is about.
There are some redneck, wussy hicks who are blue collar. And there are some TOUGH dudes who are white collar too.
"coming from a desk job and don't understand physicality".... wow, gtfo with that bs