Adesanya might be the better “technical” striker, but because he was so reluctant to put himself in harms way, he was never in position to fully demonstrate his skills. He wanted to avoid getting hit by Jan more than he wanted to hit him.
Jan is a better striker than Izzy
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Anderson Silva's deluded fanbase was waiting for this day for awhile to act like last night was a W for their boy. They've been quiet for quite some and conveniently started coming out of the woodwork after the event.
It's kinda sad but funny.
It's kinda sad but funny.
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I'm not discrediting Izzy, I've known about these weaknesses for a long time. If you look at my old posts I've always highlighted these exact weaknesses and exact path to victory for Jan. Take down threats weren't an issue. Nothing about his stand up style shows he was preparing for a takedown attempt. He lost the stand up plain and simple. It's the power/size/reach plus technique that gave Izzy issues with the stand up. Same reason Jones struggles with fighters close to his size/reach. Their game plan and fighting style is built on their size/reach advantage. So adjusting to fighters close their height/size/reach throws them off. They can get hit at a range/distance they are not used to being hit at.
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This is so dumb, lol.
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Izzy was dictating the whole fight until he decided to throw it all away and closed the distance to engage with jan. i thought his fight iq was better than that, but he wanted to get a highlight reel it seems.
Anyways, he wasn't going to last as lhw champ. he was gonna get out muscled sooner or later and even tho his tdd at mw is great, once someone gets him to the ground he's got little to show, especially against a bigger man like jan yesterday. his taunting in the fifth (which led to the td) threw me off big time.
Anyways, he wasn't going to last as lhw champ. he was gonna get out muscled sooner or later and even tho his tdd at mw is great, once someone gets him to the ground he's got little to show, especially against a bigger man like jan yesterday. his taunting in the fifth (which led to the td) threw me off big time.
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No arguments from me, Jan was out landing Adesanya in the striking, forget about the takedowns
Yes Adesanya did a lot of feints, sooooooo many feints, but he wasn't actually landing much clean at all, hence why his strike stats were low. Too much feinting and not enough actually throwing
Yes Adesanya did a lot of feints, sooooooo many feints, but he wasn't actually landing much clean at all, hence why his strike stats were low. Too much feinting and not enough actually throwing
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I don't know about that. I think there was a reason Jan decided to take it to the ground.
He did good work keeping Izzy at bay and also draining energy with the jab - especially to the body - but I think if he kept it standing he was getting dropped imo as he was slowing down a lot more between the two.
He did good work keeping Izzy at bay and also draining energy with the jab - especially to the body - but I think if he kept it standing he was getting dropped imo as he was slowing down a lot more between the two.
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And anyone that that does not understand context and the threat of the take down. Jesus...MMA fans are the worst when it comes to reacting to successful fighters losing....
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Nope scared to bang confirmed by sniffing Isreal 's crotch
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Is not a joke is the true he outstruck Izzy check almost all his kicks and his jab was on point, Izzy was doing a lot of fainting.
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What threat of a takedown? The grappling didn’t came into play until the 4th round and Fainting is not effective striking
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He outstruck him last night, but I have a hard time attributing that to Jan and not Israel simply fighting cockily and like dogshit.
90% of the time Israel was too busy fighting and feinting on some shadow opponent only he could see, rather than Jan himself. When he'd strike at Jan he was fairly handily hitting him, and landed the biggest shot of the fight when he hurt him in the 3rd.
The problem was Jan stayed focused on fighting solely Izzy and not some shadow Izzy 3 ft to the left of him, and so steadily accumulated the necessary strikes to win the striking. Nothing he was doing was necessarily better, just more.
He wasn't the better striker, he was the more dedicated striker. Jan simply stayed focused on actually fighting Izzy.
90% of the time Israel was too busy fighting and feinting on some shadow opponent only he could see, rather than Jan himself. When he'd strike at Jan he was fairly handily hitting him, and landed the biggest shot of the fight when he hurt him in the 3rd.
The problem was Jan stayed focused on fighting solely Izzy and not some shadow Izzy 3 ft to the left of him, and so steadily accumulated the necessary strikes to win the striking. Nothing he was doing was necessarily better, just more.
He wasn't the better striker, he was the more dedicated striker. Jan simply stayed focused on actually fighting Izzy.
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Finally someone said it. The blue print to beat Izzy was layout by Kelvin. If you bring the fight to him and make it ugly he is really hittable
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Big surprise it’s not like Jan hasn’t won Muay Thai tournaments before ... oh wait he has.
izzy was just another poke attack style reach bully like jon except he is grapple fuckable unlike jon
this can prolly be done to him at middleweight too except he’s lucky like Anderson was for all those years that MW has no power wrestlers right now to exploit him. Over 40 year old former wrestlers that don’t wrassle like Romero don’t count(oh wait some say izz lost that fight too).
I knew from day 1 Anderson couldn’t handle sum1 goin all hahmurican and izzy is in that same boat
izzy was just another poke attack style reach bully like jon except he is grapple fuckable unlike jon
this can prolly be done to him at middleweight too except he’s lucky like Anderson was for all those years that MW has no power wrestlers right now to exploit him. Over 40 year old former wrestlers that don’t wrassle like Romero don’t count(oh wait some say izz lost that fight too).
I knew from day 1 Anderson couldn’t handle sum1 goin all hahmurican and izzy is in that same boat
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Izzy also got outstruck by Romero (landing 5 leg kicks more in the entire is pathetic) and Grapplefucked by Vettori. he's going to lose again at MW. he looked awful against Jan at kickboxing in the first 3 rounds. there are no excuses for this loss by him, its pathetic to see him making excuses after the fight and making gay hallmark remarks like "dare to be great" like wtf is that bullshit. if you are going to talk shit about being GOAT, you CANNOT ever have a shit performance like that.
Second ever?
What in the world do yall base this on? It can't be off of what actually happened in the cage.
In 4 of his last 6 fights his striking has been average as hell. Outstuck by Jan, Could not do anything significant with his striking on Romero or Silva, and was getting tagged all over the cage by little ass Gastelum.
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He also still fights like he's in a pure kickboxing match. So far almost no one has bothered to take him down.
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Did Gus lose the reach in the rematch? What happened there?
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That is not accurate. Jan had a connected with a body lock and almost took Israel down in the second round. But that actually is not the point. See the threat of the take down does not refer to point of the fight when a fighter relies heavily on their grappling skills/advantage. It is a threat at exists as long as the fighter is in good enough condition to take advantage of those grappling/TD skills which in this case was the entire fight. Whether the threat was acted upon or not in the early rounds it existed and did have an impact on how the stand up fight went. Take both fighters and have them fight a pure kick boxing match and I guarantee the result would be reversed. And this is not to take away from Jan who is a really good striker in his own right but reality is reality.
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