Jan is a better striker than Izzy

0 pro kick boxing fights vs 80 pro kick boxing fights with championship contender status is a significant gap in experience whether you are willing to acknowledge that reality or not. MMA and kickboxing are difference sports so again your grasping at straws. Jan's was doing very well to control Israel with the Jab to the head and body, step/slide back counters especially with the left hand, using his lead hand to control Israels lead hand and to measure distance and parry shots, Jan's did great with leading with his right hands to the head and body to set up his hook, and this is KEY he was very effective in mixing in grappling, clinch work, take down/attempts which he employed from round 2 on. He established a grappling/clinch/TD threat that was a significant factor in why he won that fight and why his striking was as effective as it was. Oh and you stated in a previous post that Romero did not shoot for a take down in his fight against Israel which is not accurate.. in the fight Romero dropped to his knees twice during the to feint take downs and had three take down attempts which had a significant impact on Israel's ability strike just like the fight again Jans.

There is no assumption needed of Jan's being uncomfortable striking with Israel during exchanges because it occurred in the fight. When Israel remained in an orthodox stance he was able to use his distance effectively to counter Jan's, Jab and hook and land the most effective hurtful shots of the fight. Round three, Israel rolls Jan's left hook, and lands his own left hook that has Jan's visibly stunned and backing up, Israel begins to open up on Jan's land good shots and finishes off with a body kick out of the orthodox stands and Jan's responds by initiating a clinch and holding on to recover and stop Israels momentum. In round four Israel counters Jan's Jap with a right hand out of the orthodox stance, then lands a 1/2 and Jan's immediately takes Israel down and hold him down for the rest of the round. 5th round he takes Israel down with 2:30 left on the clock and holds him there. Israel realized a little to late that the answer was to set his shots up more with his Jab and counter Jan's out of the orthodox stance. The reality is that Jan's would not be able to use grappling as a safety net close to as much in a kick boxing match as he is able to in MMA and would be comfortably beaten.
We saw the gap in kicboxing experience experience didnt mean alot. Izzy still got outboxed. You providing examples of certain instances doesnt take awayy from that either. In my previous post I explained how he took away Izzys counters and it wasnt by taking him down, it was with striking! Clinching and smothering is a tool that could be used in boxing and kickboxing too. Even if its for a few seconds, its still a viable strategy. So ya im not convinced with big gloves its any different. Would still be competitive overall and I wouldnt see Jan stopping him but I see him being outstruck again.

Im gonna go by the evidence we saw. Kickboxing and mma striking arent the same but the fundamentals show in both. Izzy didnt show me that itd be different. I need to see if he can make adjustments. I dont feel like im gonna convince you so we'll agree to disagree
 
No it's lazy analysis that does not account for the threat of the TD that would not be present in a pure stand up fight and which was present for all 5 rounds. Jan has really good technique as a striker but any one with eyes can see he is not a better overall, nor more technical striker then Israel. Also, if Jan was as a good as a striker as you say then he would not have felt the need to impose his grappling skills on Israel.
You can be a better striker than someone and still choose to take them down. Hell GSP did it his entire career.

People get too caught up with hype and "technique". Adesanya may be the one the media and announcers are telling you is a world class striker, but Jan beat him standing. We're not grading technique, we're grading results.
 
Prime Anderson Silva vs the Jan that fought Izzy....
I personally think Anderson finishes Jan but that they both would be beat up afterwards. What do y’all think? Prime Silva vs Jan at 205

Admittedly though, as an oldschool pre UFC 1 fan, I tend to notice that my hypothetical picks lean towards the guys from the earlier years. Maybe it’s just wishful thinking, but I honestly think Anderson gets up easier, resists the takedown better, and eventually kicks Jan in the face and finishes with a couple ground and pound shots.
 
You can be a better striker than someone and still choose to take them down. Hell GSP did it his entire career.

People get too caught up with hype and "technique". Adesanya may be the one the media and announcers are telling you is a world class striker, but Jan beat him standing. We're not grading technique, we're grading results.

I agree that you can be a better striker and take someone down but the point remains that establishing that take down threat creates an advantage for striking that GSP used to to devastating effect throughout his career. But the opposite is very true as well and inferior strikers have been able to hold their own/out strike better strikers due to the threat of their grappling skills. Take for example Khabib, do you think his striking success in his fight vs Conor is more reflective of his pure striking skill or the threat of his TD/grappling skills.

I'm not person that places Adesanya on a pedastool and I acknowledge that he has striking flaws that the UFC understandably tends to minimize. However, as good as Jan looked in that fight against Israel from a striking perspective I just don't think he showed enough to prove he is a better pure striker then Israel. IMO I think a more accurate conclusion we can draw from this fight is that Jans is a more complete MMA fighter then Israel.
 
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We saw the gap in kicboxing experience experience didnt mean alot. Izzy still got outboxed. You providing examples of certain instances doesnt take awayy from that either. In my previous post I explained how he took away Izzys counters and it wasnt by taking him down, it was with striking! Clinching and smothering is a tool that could be used in boxing and kickboxing too. Even if its for a few seconds, its still a viable strategy. So ya im not convinced with big gloves its any different. Would still be competitive overall and I wouldnt see Jan stopping him but I see him being outstruck again.

Im gonna go by the evidence we saw. Kickboxing and mma striking arent the same but the fundamentals show in both. Izzy didnt show me that itd be different. I need to see if he can make adjustments. I dont feel like im gonna convince you so we'll agree to disagree

Fair enough. Lets hope for a rematch at some point as I think both fighters could make some key adjustments that would make for an even better fight. Then we can have a round two of the post fight analysis discussion. Agree to disagree and I enjoyed the fight conversation. Cheers.
 
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