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Jack Slack weighs in on Bisping vs Silva

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    Thanks.
     
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    he usually delivers

    not this time
     
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    Cliffs?
     
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    i dont see how he didnt.

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    From Silva, there was creativity and flamboyance, but the same difficulties he has run into in his last three fights against disciplined, thoughtful strikers. From Bisping there was thoughtful, disciplined work and use of feints and pressure to defuse Silva's counter fighting game—but there were also defensive flaws, clear habits, and moments of poor shot selection and wasted effort. And of course there was more controversy than you can shake a stick at.


    I mentioned in my pre-fight analysis that I had always felt that though Bisping always fell at the last hurdle, he was an interesting match up for Silva because of his striking habits. Of course, he's not the one strike knockout artist that Vitor Belfort was, but his variety, discipline and work in counters and combinations has always been far more interesting against Silva's own craft. We also noted that Anderson Silva's 'decline' has coincided with his meeting opponents who will not lunge in behind their faces and give him the easy counters, but who will also not stand at range and allow him to throw long kicks without punishment.


    It is the forward motion, the non-committal jab, the value of staying on guard, the ability to recover, and the use of the feint which frustrate Silva.

    The constant feinting and variety of Bisping kept Silva from throwing effective counters, dulling his reactions and numbing his trigger finger. And it was Bisping's commitment to staying on top of his feet and always making a defensive motion of some kind—be it a duck, a slip or a stiff arm—after his attacks which made him so difficult to find. Feints undo the work of a good counter puncher and make him more hesitant, from Mike Tyson to Renan Barao, it's a principle which has been proven against the greatest boxers and fighters of all time. No amount of ranting 'No. He is MUUUUUUUUCHHHHHHH better than Bisping' after the fact will change the principles of striking. (That is actual technical analysis from the two day Twitter tantrum that the UFC's Brazilian commentator is on.)

    You could bicker over the result all day based on what you value in a fighter, which man you are a fan of, whether you appreciate or resent the notion of stealing rounds, and a host of other things. But Silva looked good, and for twenty or so minutes of the twenty five minute bout Bisping fought a beautiful gameplan which would have defused Silva's favorite methods if he had employed it last night or four years ago. That's high praise from me given that I have spent the last two years moaning about the UFC relying on too Bisping far too much to shift mediocre UK cards.
     
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    he makes the wrongful claim that bisping was KO'd
     
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    i disagred with that too but that doesnt mean it wasnt a good article
     
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    ye u right was bit harsh on my part
     
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    I like Slack
     
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    I will have to read and watch Jack's break down when I have more time. Swamped today at work.

    Just briefly skimming I did see him mention the push kicks to the kneecap employed by both fighters.

    I also seriously noticed this like Mount Everest during the fight, and the first thing that came to mind (Bisping unintentional eye poke to boot!!!).

    Can you imagine the amount of crap that Jon Jones would have taken for that eye poke, and just half the attempts at straight push kicks to the kneecaps launched by BOTH fighters in this fight.

    Not a single mention on "dirty" in realtion to eye pokes or straight kicks toward the knee(s) mentioned by a single Sherdog poster at this point.

    It is really difficult to take posters on this site serious with such blatant lack of consistency toward the consideration of this "technique" as dirty.

    I defy any of you Jones hating c-suckers to claim that had Jon done this you wouldn't be all over how dirty of a fighter he is!
     
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    All those GIF's are putting into perspective what a great fight that was.
     
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    Great post! haha call em out!
     
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    Good job.
     
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    I thought he was. It looked like he had trouble getting to his stool.
     
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    "I said already that I am not getting into the 'who should have won' but I will say that Bisping was knocked out. Any other time in the round he'd have been done."

    just gonna leave this here
     
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    Good read. I've never read one of his articles before. Thanks, tc. I'll be sure to watch out for his work in the future.
     
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    Thanks! Good read.
     
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    maybe if anderson hadnt celebrated and the end of the round just happened and bisping couldnt have stand up or some shit he would have won right there, and not only that but it only gave more time for bisping to recover
    cause jonny bones had the whole scumbag package and the context was different. fighters accusing him of using this ending career knee, just like rampage said, for example, why not sure if someone ever said this when bisping used it. and now we see and understand that this move isnt exactly career ending and that there were some exaggerations on the past

    but its all about context
     

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