Jack Slack article on Anderson Silva leg break

[THECYNDlCATE]

Oh, fuck me. I'm done w/ you. So if you're a Silva fan saying 'fluke' is not cool but if you're NOT a Silva fan saying it is spot on. The word carries the connotation that it was pure luck. Weidman and his team knew that the technique COULD break Silva's leg.



From here: Chris Weidman: Injury inflicted upon Anderson Silva at UFC 168 was no fluke

So now you are going to try and insult me, because I used your own example to prove my point, and explained my position?

Let me try to explain this to you.
A word only carries it's meaning in these situations, based on the context they are used. A rabid Silva fan might use the term to try and detract from Chris's accomplishments, while an unbiased person like me will use the term to outline that the resulting broken shin from a leg check is very rare, with the focus just being on the technique and the results from the technique, NOT the fighters credibility.

You can post all the links you want, to other peoples OPINIONS.
But we already hashed out the definition of "Fluke" and I proved that the resulting broken shin was in fact a fluke.

Would it be a mistake to say it is only rabid Chris Weidman fans that argue this point? Would that be fair?

 

[TruthHurts001]

The article his video footage in it, that is separate from his opinions and conclusions.

Heaven forbid that I expect someone to grasp that.

The video in the article is used to draw a conclusion that is exactly the opposite of the conclusion that you drew.

Yet your exact quote was "That fact that he shows BOTH gifs of Chris checking the kicks, proves that the end result of the fight was, in fact a "fluke"."

If you believe it was a fluke, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. But basing your proof on an article that disagrees with you is not a strong argument.

 

[THECYNDlCATE]

The video in the article is used to draw a conclusion that is exactly the opposite of the conclusion that you drew.

Yet your exact quote was "That fact that he shows BOTH gifs of Chris checking the kicks, proves that the end result of the fight was, in fact a "fluke"."

If you believe it was a fluke, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. But basing your proof on an article that disagrees with you is not a strong argument.

So he snapped his shin in two, in the first video?

Thanks for pointing that out, I missed that.

 

[Rozwell]

Would it be a mistake to say it is only rabid Chris Weidman fans that argue this point? Would that be fair?

Who are these people exactly?

 

[THECYNDlCATE]

Who are these people exactly?

Maybe the people that are ignoring everything posting and claiming that the "Shin Snapping Technique" is something he trained for?

I really don't know.

 

[Rozwell]

Maybe the people that are ignoring everything posting and claiming that the "Shin Snapping Technique" is something he trained for?

I really don't know.

I'm barely even a Weidman fan and I know that turning your knee into an oncoming leg kick is indeed a legitimate technique intended to cause damage.

Ernesto Hoost had been doing it long before Weidman.

And no one hesitated to give Hoost full credit for this win over Sefo.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

Again,.. yes I read the article, but I don't agree with his conclusions.

That still doesn't change the fact that the article is 100 percent correct and you are absolutely delusional.

 

[THECYNDlCATE]

I'm barely even a Weidman fan and I know that turning your knee into an oncoming leg kick is indeed a legitimate technique intended to cause damage.

Ernesto Hoost had been doing it long before Weidman.

And no one hesitated to give Hoost full credit for this win over Sefo.

I don't think you read my posts at all.

 

[THECYNDlCATE]

That still doesn't change the fact that the article is 100 percent correct and you are absolutely delusional.

That's nice that you believe that.

 

[EliteLurker]

Translation: The article proves my point that it was a fluke, even though the article states explicitly that it was NOT a fluke.

Great logic.

Don't be dumb. Two people can look at the same set of data and draw two different conclusions.

We've seen tons of checked leg kicks and only ever seen two broken legs, that's a fact. That to me says it's pretty flukey injury.

But the only fact that really matters is that when the fight was over Weidman got his hand raised. The rest is just conjecture.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

That's nice that you believe that.

You're trying to turn what happened during the fight into a simple matter of personal opinion when the fact of the matter is that Anderson made bad decisions during the fight that ultimately lead to him breaking his leg. Anderson was recklessly throwing hard leg-kicks without setting them up while underestimating Weidman's ability to check those kicks.

If Anderson was smarter and properly set up his kicks he would not have ended up with the broken leg. While I can agree that it wasn't Weidman's intention, it was Anderson's poor decision making combined with Weidman's ability to properly and effectively check a leg-kick that ultimately lead to Anderson's leg break.

Jack Slack: "The result of this fight was unusual in its severity, but ultimately the check served its purpose.
The more you put into an effectively checked kick, the more you can hurt yourself."

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1902993-13-fights-13-lessons-from-2013

 

[egk]

That still doesn't change the fact that the article is 100 percent correct and you are absolutely delusional.

That was pretty much established from his first posts in the thread when he claimed Jack Slack and others were just giving their opinions while TheCyndicate PROVED his point. lol

He just can't get off the straw man fallacy that Weidman meant to break his leg with the technique. Weidman and most people have never said the move was planned to break his leg. Weidman just said the plan was to hurt him and make him pay for kicking. That's exactly what happened. The leg break was just a perfect storm but it sure wasn't accidental. Everything just went perfect from Weidman and his team's perspective. He kicked in order to draw a powerful kick from Anderson and Chris checked it perfectly.

I keep asking these guys who claim checking kicks is so common in MMA why it is we see so many high profile fights where it's not? Faber didnt check Aldo's kicks. Lawler didn't check Manhoef's kicks. Nick Diaz didn't check Condit's kicks. Diaz doesn't bother to check anyone's kicks for that matter. Neither does Nate. Weidman didn't check Silva in the first fight. The truth is, as Jack points out in his article, checking kicks is a very underused strategy in MMA.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

The video in the article is used to draw a conclusion that is exactly the opposite of the conclusion that you drew.

Yet your exact quote was "That fact that he shows BOTH gifs of Chris checking the kicks, proves that the end result of the fight was, in fact a "fluke"."

If you believe it was a fluke, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. But basing your proof on an article that disagrees with you is not a strong argument.

Whats worse is that he based his conclusion only on the two gifs while dismissing the article and didn't even bother to explain how we should look at those gives in order to see why the result was a fluke. If you want to be convincing you can at least give us a critical breakdown of why it was a fluke instead of merely stating that the gifs are evidence the fight was a fluke.

 

[THECYNDlCATE]

You're trying to turn what happened during the fight into a simple matter of personal opinion when the fact of the matter is that Anderson made bad decisions during the fight that ultimately lead to him breaking his leg. Anderson was recklessly throwing hard leg-kicks without setting them up while underestimating Weidman's ability to check those kicks.

If Anderson was smarter and properly set up his kicks he would not have ended up with the broken leg. While I can agree that it wasn't Weidman's intention, it was Anderson's poor decision making combined with Weidman's ability to properly and effectively check a leg-kick that ultimately lead to Anderson's leg break.

Jack Slack: "The result of this fight was unusual in its severity, but ultimately the check served its purpose.
The more you put into an effectively checked kick, the more you can hurt yourself."

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1902993-13-fights-13-lessons-from-2013

Please read your own post and try really hard to notice the laughable irony.

 

[egk]

Don't be dumb. Two people can look at the same set of data and draw two different conclusions.

The difference is TheCyndicate insists everyone else is just offering an opinion while claiming he's proved his own.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

Please read your own post and try really hard to notice the laughable irony.

I'm too ignorant to see the laughable irony in my post, maybe you could point it out for me.

 

[THECYNDlCATE]

The difference is TheCyndicate insists everyone else is just offering an opinion while claiming he's proved his own.

Because what I am saying, is NOT an opinion. It is by definition a fact. I have used people's own evidence to show it.

It doesn't get much more simple,.. the breaking of the shin, was a fluke.
I am not going to be apologetic for being honest and right.

The problem is in the people that want to ignore the EVIDENCE and supplement EVIDENCE with OPINION. There is a difference.

I'm too ignorant to see the laughable irony in my post, maybe you could point it out for me.

My job here is not to insult you.
So if you don't see the problem in your post, then that's on you.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

That was pretty much established from his first posts in the thread when he claimed Jack Slack and others were just giving their opinions while TheCyndicate PROVED his point. lol

He just can't get off the straw man fallacy that Weidman meant to break his leg with the technique. Weidman and most people have never said the move was planned to break his leg. Weidman just said the plan was to hurt him and make him pay for kicking. That's exactly what happened. The leg break was just a perfect storm but it sure wasn't accidental. Everything just went perfect from Weidman and his team's perspective. He kicked in order to draw a powerful kick from Anderson and Chris checked it perfectly.

I keep asking these guys who claim checking kicks is so common in MMA why it is we see so many high profile fights where it's not? Faber didnt check Aldo's kicks. Lawler didn't check Manhoef's kicks. Nick Diaz didn't check Condit's kicks. Diaz doesn't bother to check anyone's kicks for that matter. Neither does Nate. Weidman didn't check Silva in the first fight. The truth is, as Jack points out in his article, checking kicks is a very underused strategy in MMA.

It will be interesting to see what kind of effect this incident will have on striking in MMA. I'm sure most fighters have now learned the importance of properly checking leg-kicks after that fight.

Also, it will be interesting to look at older fights and notice how many fighters just weren't checking kicks. I remember Rampage lost the title to Forrest because he was just letting Forrest kick him in the legs.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

Because what I am saying, is NOT an opinion. It is by definition a fact. I have used people's own evidence to show it.

It doesn't get much more simple,.. the breaking of the shin, was a fluke.
I am not going to be apologetic for being honest and right.

The problem is in the people that want to ignore the EVIDENCE and supplement EVIDENCE with OPINION. There is a difference.


My job here is not to insult you.
So if you don't see the problem in your post, then that's on you.

Actually, you made the claim there is something wrong with my post. I don't believe there is anything wrong with what I said. The person making the claim needs to provide sufficient evidence.

Jack Slack from the article:

"Some will say this injury was a fluke because they want to believe that Silva's 38-year-old shin couldn't hold up to a good check any more. But in the post-fight presser, Weidman talked extensively about training to put his knee on Silva's shin. We're not talking about a good kick that rode up, we're talking about a poorly planned kick which was checked well."

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1904314-ufc-168-how-chris-weidman-buried-the-legend

 

[THECYNDlCATE]

It will be interesting to see what kind of effect this incident will have on striking in MMA. I'm sure most fighters have now learned the importance of properly checking leg-kicks after that fight.

Also, it will be interesting to look at older fights and notice how many fighters just weren't checking kicks. I remember Rampage lost the title to Forrest because he was just letting Forrest kick him in the legs.

There are a lot of guys that don't.
There are a lot of guys that do.

Most are soft checks,.. some are hard checks.

I do hope people learn a lesson from this and are aware of leg kicks and checking.