Jack Slack article on Anderson Silva leg break

[MaTaLa]

While I agree his intention was to cause pain, it is NOT an offensive move, and normally doesn't cause damage. It just causes enough pain to make you stop throwing as hard or often.

A punch is an offensive move that often causes pretty serious trauma.

A leg check is defensive and often causes no trauma.

I said it was a passive technique and that was the only difference. Instead of Chris appling the force he used the force applied by Silva. Defensive, yes but not totally defensive in that it was intended to inflict pain/damage also.

Obviously it was a rare outcome but that doesn't mean it was pure chance which is what 'fluke' implies.

 

[Aerosol]

I did read the article.

I do not agree with everything he says and I pointed out the pictures as my evidence for my point of view.

People like you, see that and throw up an insult because you don't like the fact that I backed up my point of view with solid evidence.


Don't worry, someone will be along soon to say something that you guys think is a proper defense for my reasoning. Then you will hang your hat on it and repeat it as much as possible.

You sir dont know shit.

first, its ultra-clear youve never trained ANY kind of striking TMA or MA.

youve never trained so why are you so convinced that your theory is correct?

Second, if you cant decide in splitsecond time where to aim your knee that check a kick you dont belong near any sport basically because you arent talented. sorry buddy

third, my best pick is youre a kid with good gramar trying to look Smart and nobody likes a smart-ass son.

 

[MaTaLa]

There's no discrediting what Weidman did. But it's ignorant to think a broken leg, from a technique we've seen many times, is a common thing. Punches KO people all the time, checking leg kicks has broken 2 legs ever in mma. That's not the same thing. You are just as bad as the Silva apologists, just let the win stand as it is. It doesn't have to mean anything more or less then a win.

Saying that it was not a fluke, which implies it was a stroke of luck, is as bad as Silva apologists??

Yeah, right.

 

[THECYNDlCATE]

You sir dont know shit.

first, its ultra-clear youve never trained ANY kind of striking TMA or MA.

youve never trained so why are you so convinced that your theory is correct?

Second, if you cant decide in splitsecond time where to aim your knee that check a kick you dont belong near any sport basically because you arent talented. sorry buddy

third, my best pick is youre a kid with good gramar trying to look Smart and nobody likes a smart-ass son.

lol at this guy.

You don't know just how far off the mark you are.

 

[THECYNDlCATE]

I said it was a passive technique and that was the only difference. Instead of Chris appling the force he used the force applied by Silva. Defensive, yes but not totally defensive in that it was intended to inflict pain/damage also.

Obviously it was a rare outcome but that doesn't mean it was pure chance which is what 'fluke' implies.

I guess it all comes down to your definition of the word.
I agree with what you say, just I also call the outcome a fluke.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

That fact that he shows BOTH gifs of Chris checking the kicks, proves that the end result of the fight was, in fact a "fluke".

The point where the legs meet is random and you can't really plan for it.
You are hardly even thinking about it. You are just trying to check properly and counter.

Chris got lucky and the legs met in his favor.

Did he intend to break Silva's leg? NO.

His intention was to block the kick, take as little damage as possible and counter. You can even see his "oh shit" face when the kick is launched.

Is the win legitimate?
ABSOLUTELY.

This should put fighters on notice about low kicks and proper checking technique.

Did you even bother to read the article?

From the Article:

"No, freak injury implies it was simply misfortune. There was nothing accidental about Silva getting hurt. When a hard kicker kicks a knee, he hurts himself. Sometimes it's enough to finish a fight, sometimes it's just enough to stop him from kicking for a while, but kick a knee Silva did."

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1904314-ufc-168-how-chris-weidman-buried-the-legend

 

[Aerosol]

So many fucking idiots running their mouths these days.

Please do yourselves a favor and talk to an actual orthopedist (you know, people who are scientists not bros talking up their favorite martial arts) and ask him if it's possible to break a healthy shin in half by kicking another human being's leg. It's not. One's shin has to be already very damaged to break like that, that's why it was a freaky occurrence. It's not normal. There's no technique to break one's shin.

I know a thing or 2 about the subject an IMO your post is 100% wrong.

 

[200x Better]

I love Sherdog right now. So many fans unwilling to admit that their legend lost two times to the same person in a dominant fashion.

As for the article, it was very insightful. In the first fight, Anderson kicked Weidman and taunted him to kick him back. In the second fight, Anderson fell for his own type of trap.

 

[elzar]

The picture and gif of Silva's broking leg aren't necessary damn it.

yeah, i really don't need pics or gifs since they are permanently burned into my psyche.

 

[MaTaLa]

I guess it all comes down to your definition of the word.
I agree with what you say, just I also call the outcome a fluke.

fluke noun

• unlikely chance occurrence, esp. a surprising piece of luck.
• an unexpected benefit or advantage resulting from the uncertain course of events <the discovery of oil on their property was just an amazing fluke>

You know and I know that using the word 'fluke' is an attempt to make it look like Chris was just lucky. I take issue w/ that.
So I guess we'll just agree to disagree. I hope they fight again at some point.

 

[egk]

fluke noun

• unlikely chance occurrence, esp. a surprising piece of luck.
• an unexpected benefit or advantage resulting from the uncertain course of events <the discovery of oil on their property was just an amazing fluke>

You know and I know that using the word 'fluke' is an attempt to make it look like Chris was just lucky. I take issue w/ that.
So I guess we'll just agree to disagree. I hope they fight again at some point.

This.

The world choices of fluke and accident being thrown around by Silva apologists are deliberate in order to dismiss Weidman's win as luck. That way they can keep telling themselves Silva is really the better fighter. Just like they did the first time around when Chris knocked him the fuck out. They all said that was a fluke too because Anderson wasn't serious.

If the intent isn't to be an apologist, grab a dictionary and make some better word choices.

 

[THECYNDlCATE]

Did you even bother to read the article?

From the Article:

"No, freak injury implies it was simply misfortune. There was nothing accidental about Silva getting hurt. When a hard kicker kicks a knee, he hurts himself. Sometimes it's enough to finish a fight, sometimes it's just enough to stop him from kicking for a while, but kick a knee Silva did."

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1904314-ufc-168-how-chris-weidman-buried-the-legend

Again,.. yes I read the article, but I don't agree with his conclusions.

 

[TruthHurts001]

Again,.. yes I read the article, but I don't agree with his conclusions.

Translation: The article proves my point that it was a fluke, even though the article states explicitly that it was NOT a fluke.

Great logic.

 

[THECYNDlCATE]

fluke noun

• unlikely chance occurrence, esp. a surprising piece of luck.
• an unexpected benefit or advantage resulting from the uncertain course of events <the discovery of oil on their property was just an amazing fluke>

You know and I know that using the word 'fluke' is an attempt to make it look like Chris was just lucky. I take issue w/ that.
So I guess we'll just agree to disagree. I hope they fight again at some point.

Ok, before I type the rest, I want to say this.

I am NOT trying to take away anything from Chris. It's a complicated situation for me. When Chris won the first time, I jumped out of my seat, cheering and celebrating. I think Chris was winning the second fight as well. I just wanted to see Anderson get started(he is a late starter) and watch a fight. I wanted a definitive finish, with purpose and full intent behind it. We didn't get that. But, Chris won that fight. I personally wish they could fight today and act like the second fight never took place,.. but not to discredit Chris, but to justify him.

Me saying that the result was a fluke, is me looking at it from a non-bias point of view. People that are trying to say he did it on purpose and are insinuating he knew he was going to break it, irritate me.

Now,.. lets look at the definition you posted.

• unlikely chance occurrence, esp. a surprising piece of luck.

The first part I made bold, is the actual definition. The second part is an example/sub-explanation.


The break, was in fact, an unlikely chance occurrence. Out of all of the leg checks in UFC history, breaking the kickers shin has now happened twice. This makes it an EXTREMELY unlikely chance, statistically and therefore is the meaning of the term.


He didn't do it on purpose(break the leg), but that shouldn't take away from his performance either. Crazy Silva fans that try to discredit him, by calling it a fluke, are using it in the wrong context. But from a purely unbiased point of view, it was in fact a fluke.

 

[THECYNDlCATE]

Translation: The article proves my point that it was a fluke, even though the article states explicitly that it was NOT a fluke.

Great logic.

The article his video footage in it, that is separate from his opinions and conclusions.

Heaven forbid that I expect someone to grasp that.

 

[COOLBrise]

Sorry,

But the thing was that Anderson didnt set up the kick, using feints, changing your weight from one leg to the other, moving your hands, throwing fake jabs. He just kicked again. And that made it predictable.

Weidman didnt do anything out of the ordinary. The only thing out of the ordinary propably was the strengh of those kicks.

Even so, nice job for checking them (as everyone does, or should do) and bad job by Anderson on throwing them without setting them up first!

 

[kflo]

How do you typically score checked kicks during a fight? Should that be a new stat to track along with sig strikes?

 

[biscuitsbrah]

Weidman > Silva

 

[kflo]

Sorry,

But the thing was that Anderson didnt set up the kick, using feints, changing your weight from one leg to the other, moving your hands, throwing fake jabs. He just kicked again. And that made it predictable.

Weidman didnt do anything out of the ordinary. The only thing out of the ordinary propably was the strengh of those kicks.

Even so, nice job for checking them (as everyone does, or should do) and bad job by Anderson on throwing them without setting them up first!

But the setup isn't always that important if the risks are generally low. It can still be used to set up other things. The consequence was unexpected given the relatively low risk of the shot. The lack of setup didn't lead to a counter. It was just checked.

 

[MaTaLa]

Ok, before I type the rest, I want to say this.

I am NOT trying to take away anything from Chris. It's a complicated situation for me. When Chris won the first time, I jumped out of my seat, cheering and celebrating. I think Chris was winning the second fight as well. I just wanted to see Anderson get started(he is a late starter) and watch a fight. I wanted a definitive finish, with purpose and full intent behind it. We didn't get that. But, Chris won that fight. I personally wish they could fight today and act like the second fight never took place,.. but not to discredit Chris, but to justify him.

Me saying that the result was a fluke, is me looking at it from a non-bias point of view. People that are trying to say he did it on purpose and are insinuating he knew he was going to break it, irritate me.

Now,.. lets look at the definition you posted.

• unlikely chance occurrence, esp. a surprising piece of luck.

The first part I made bold, is the actual definition. The second part is an example/sub-explanation.


The break, was in fact, an unlikely chance occurrence. Out of all of the leg checks in UFC history, breaking the kickers shin has now happened twice. This makes it an EXTREMELY unlikely chance, statistically and therefore is the meaning of the term.


He didn't do it on purpose(break the leg), but that shouldn't take away from his performance either. Crazy Silva fans that try to discredit him, by calling it a fluke, are using it in the wrong context. But from a purely unbiased point of view, it was in fact a fluke.

Oh, fuck me. I'm done w/ you. So if you're a Silva fan saying 'fluke' is not cool but if you're NOT a Silva fan saying it is spot on. The word carries the connotation that it was pure luck. Weidman and his team knew that the technique COULD break Silva's leg.

For a technique so devastating it could shatter someone