Jack Slack article on Anderson Silva leg break

[MyPainYourGain]

It was a takedown and a hard one. If it was just a "ankle pick" and Coleman was only gently laying Shogun down then how did he end up breaking his arm? You need velocity to do that smart guy.

so you are just gonna avoid the question or what?

we already know hurting someone by checking their kicks is a legit tactic but
can you or can you not hurt someone intentionaly with an ankle pick? and if yes explain.

 

[kflo]

Again, the notion that checking a kick is now an aggressive potentially fight ending offensive move is pretty amusing.

He lifted his leg and checked a kick. It's a defensive reflex (through repetition) with no force from the defender. It worked well. But it's a defensive move and it's done all the time.

 

[tlear]

This is typical ohhh we are to at kickboxing level of striking yet! BS. Tell that to Ubereem lol Absolute joke. People check kick, sometimes you get lucky VERY sometimes it really hurts the kicker in a really bad way.

 

[Ch0sen0ne]

The self-deluding denial of Silva fans' is beyond pathetic.

 

[MaTaLa]

That fact that he shows BOTH gifs of Chris checking the kicks, proves that the end result of the fight was, in fact a "fluke".

The point where the legs meet is random and you can't really plan for it.
You are hardly even thinking about it. You are just trying to check properly and counter.

Chris got lucky and the legs met in his favor.

Did he intend to break Silva's leg? NO.

His intention was to block the kick, take as little damage as possible and counter. You can even see his "oh shit" face when the kick is launched.

Is the win legitimate?
ABSOLUTELY.

This should put fighters on notice about low kicks and proper checking technique.

So every time someone is knocked out by a punch that was not specifically intended to knock that person out it's a fluke?

The intention was to hurt Silva's leg enough to discourage the kicks. Just so happens it discouraged it a lot. Same thing as when a fighter says "I was just trying to connect w/ fundamentally sound strikes and got the KO".

To say it's a fluke is attempting to discredit it like there was no intention or plan to it.

 

[THECYNDlCATE]

So every time someone is knocked out by a punch that was not specifically intended to knock that person out it's a fluke?

The intention was to hurt Silva's leg enough to discourage the kicks. Just so happens it discouraged it a lot. Same thing as when a fighter says "I was just trying to connect w/ fundamentally sound strikes and got the KO".

To say it's a fluke is attempting to discredit it like there was no intention or plan to it.

Please see below:

Again, the notion that checking a kick is now an aggressive potentially fight ending offensive move is pretty amusing.

He lifted his leg and checked a kick. It's a defensive reflex (through repetition) with no force from the defender. It worked well. But it's a defensive move and it's done all the time.

 

[wlu29]

I wish Anderson a speedy and full recovery

I fully believed Chris weidman was prepared to beat Anderson anywhere the fight went

 

[egk]

Again, every fighter (from day 1 of sparring) practices checks all the time. We see lots of checks every card. Props to Weidman for winning the moment (and training specifically for silva), but the consequences were freakish.

If everyone practices it all the time, why then do we see so many high-profile MMA matches where one guy looks like they never checked a kick in their life? Faber vs Aldo, Lawler vs Manhoef, Diaz vs Condit (or anyone), Weidman in the first fight with Silva. None of them checked kicks against known kickers.

The fact is they may know how to do it but as Jack says in this article, it's very under-utilized in MMA. More often we see fighters eating kicks and trying to act like they don't hurt while their legs get turned to mush.

 

[MaTaLa]

Please see below:

I guess you could dismiss Weidman as exaggerating or a liar.

Weidman, who earned his belt with an upset victory in July, also dominated the first round of the rematch, pinning Silva to the mat and punishing him with blows. In the second, Weidman used his knee to stop Silva’s kick with perfect mixed martial arts technique, never anticipating the result.

“I did work on checking kicks,” Weidman said. “I figured if I (caught) him on my knee, it could really hurt him. Crazy how this happened.”

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He did intend to hurt Silva's leg. He didn't have expectations of it breaking. Same as someone intending to throw a right cross but not necessarily thinking it would KO him.

It was a passive technique, that's the only difference. No fluke.

Not surprising I sure but I'm a Weidman fan and hated seeing Silva go down like that and cheating us of seeing the fight we all wanted to see but it wasn't some Act of God type incident.

 

[information]

Great article and he's absolutely right.

 

[farrella]

Always some of the best explanations, much appreciated. I love when people try to argue with clearly someone more knowledgeable on the subject, always improves your credibility.

 

[EliteLurker]

So every time someone is knocked out by a punch that was not specifically intended to knock that person out it's a fluke?

The intention was to hurt Silva's leg enough to discourage the kicks. Just so happens it discouraged it a lot. Same thing as when a fighter says "I was just trying to connect w/ fundamentally sound strikes and got the KO".

To say it's a fluke is attempting to discredit it like there was no intention or plan to it.

There's no discrediting what Weidman did. But it's ignorant to think a broken leg, from a technique we've seen many times, is a common thing. Punches KO people all the time, checking leg kicks has broken 2 legs ever in mma. That's not the same thing. You are just as bad as the Silva apologists, just let the win stand as it is. It doesn't have to mean anything more or less then a win.

 

[Taric]

Well written article. Worth the read.

 

[THECYNDlCATE]

I guess you could dismiss Weidman as exaggerating or a liar.



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He did intend to hurt Silva's leg. He didn't have expectations of it breaking. Same as someone intending to throw a right cross but not necessarily thinking it would KO him.

It was a passive technique, that's the only difference. No fluke.

Not surprising I sure but I'm a Weidman fan and hated seeing Silva go down like that and cheating us of seeing the fight we all wanted to see but it wasn't some Act of God type incident.

While I agree his intention was to cause pain, it is NOT an offensive move, and normally doesn't cause damage. It just causes enough pain to make you stop throwing as hard or often.

A punch is an offensive move that often causes pretty serious trauma.

A leg check is defensive and often causes no trauma.

 

[EliteLurker]

Always some of the best explanations, much appreciated. I love when people try to argue with clearly someone more knowledgeable on the subject, always improves your credibility.

Jack's a great writer and clearly knows a lot about striking. His analysis is top notch, but his conclusions are often not.

 

[TheonGreyJoy**]

Again, the notion that checking a kick is now an aggressive potentially fight ending offensive move is pretty amusing.

He lifted his leg and checked a kick. It's a defensive reflex (through repetition) with no force from the defender. It worked well. But it's a defensive move and it's done all the time.

if you knew how the English language worked you would know that it is a POTENTIAL fight ending move. That potential however is 'rare'.

A properly checked hard leg kick has the following EXPECTED outcomes amongst others:

- no bruising or pain to either fighter (rare if leg kick is hard and checked properly)
- bruising and pain to either/both kicker and checker (common)
- severe bruising to either/both kicker and checker such that they don't want to do it anymore - common)
- leg fracture or break to either (extremely rare)


Any of those outcomes are expected. You guys seem to struggle with the FREQUENCY and think if an outcome does not happen often it should never happen. In fact we absolutely should EXPECT to see another leg check break in the future of MMA. Yes rarely but expected.

 

[THECYNDlCATE]

Jack's a great writer and clearly knows a lot about striking. His analysis is top notch, but his conclusions are often not.

I think that is a good way of putting it.

 

[TheonGreyJoy**]

There's no discrediting what Weidman did. But it's ignorant to think a broken leg, from a technique we've seen many times, is a common thing. Punches KO people all the time, checking leg kicks has broken 2 legs ever in mma. That's not the same thing. You are just as bad as the Silva apologists, just let the win stand as it is. It doesn't have to mean anything more or less then a win.

Percentage wise I would not be shocked if there are less orbital breaks and cheek breaks from punches than there are leg check bone breaks. I mean think about how many punches to the face we get every fight and how rare those breaks are.

as I wrote in another thread.


A properly checked hard leg kick has the following EXPECTED outcomes amongst others:

- no bruising or pain to either fighter (rare if leg kick is hard and checked properly)
- bruising and pain to either/both kicker and checker (common)
- severe bruising to either/both kicker and checker such that they don't want to do it anymore - common)
- leg fracture or break to either (extremely rare)


Any of those outcomes are expected. You guys seem to struggle with the FREQUENCY and think if an outcome does not happen often it should never happen. In fact we absolutely should EXPECT to see another leg check break in the future of MMA. Yes rarely but expected.

 

[Taric]

Gogoplata victories don't count 'cause they rarely happen.

 

[wrazz]

jack slack articles are always worth a read