Elections J6 Bombshell: Trump Didn't Just Offer Military to Protect Capitol, He Ordered It but Was Disobeyed

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On the eve of former President Donald Trump's return to power, a new report is turning the story of the 2021 Capitol incursion on its head.

For four years, a Democratic-run "select" committee on Jan. 6, anti-Trump Republicans, and the establishment media have blamed Trump for the violence in Washington on Jan. 6, 2021, but the report released Tuesday accused Trump's acting defense secretary at the time, Christopher Miller, of defying Trump's specific orders.

It's the very first finding of the report, and it paints a scathing picture of Nancy Pelosi's "select" committee -- and former Rep. Liz Cheney's role in the whole affair.


Interesting but I'm sure nothing will come of it either way. Too much invested in Orange Man Insurrectionist.
 
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Interesting but I'm sure nothing will come of it either way. Too much invested in Orange Man Insurrectionist.

I’m sure it will be investigated. If the Democrats hadn’t lost bigly last month then I’d agree that probably nothing would’ve come of it. One of the many reasons Biden is issuing blanket pardons to his buddies.
 
I’m sure it will be investigated. If the Democrats hadn’t lost bigly last month then I’d agree that probably nothing would’ve come of it. One of the many reasons Biden is issuing blanket pardons to his buddies.
While I have no issues with the Presidential right of Pardon, I have to question how the ones being given by Biden are not contestable given his cognitive issues. To be fair, if he's impaired enough that he wasn't viable to run against Trump during the last election why is he even still in his position. Authority should have been handed over to Harris.
 
While I have no issues with the Presidential right of Pardon, I have to question how the ones being given by Biden are not contestable given his cognitive issues. To be fair, if he's impaired enough that he wasn't viable to run against Trump during the last election why is he even still in his position. Authority should have been handed over to Harris.
I have yet to see a reasonable answer to this since Biden announced he wasn't running again. You notice there is a massive blind eye being turned towards the Biden White House and what they are/aren't doing? They're still in office and we've barely seen or heard from them.
 
While I have no issues with the Presidential right of Pardon, I have to question how the ones being given by Biden are not contestable given his cognitive issues. To be fair, if he's impaired enough that he wasn't viable to run against Trump during the last election why is he even still in his position. Authority should have been handed over to Harris.
Nothing will come from this, but it does give us something to think. Biden was found not fit to withstand trial on the classified documents case, but he's coherent enough to be president and give a bunch of pardons. Weird, but, that's what you get when the average senate member is in their 70-80's.
 
While I have no issues with the Presidential right of Pardon, I have to question how the ones being given by Biden are not contestable given his cognitive issues. To be fair, if he's impaired enough that he wasn't viable to run against Trump during the last election why is he even still in his position. Authority should have been handed over to Harris.
I agree. She should’ve taken over as president immediately once he was officially deemed incompetent. This actually occurred prior to his big boy press conference when it was said he didn’t follow the law in regards to his handling of classified documents, but was not competent to stand trial for it.
 
I have yet to see a reasonable answer to this since Biden announced he wasn't running again. You notice there is a massive blind eye being turned towards the Biden White House and what they are/aren't doing? They're still in office and we've barely seen or heard from them.
It would be one thing if even Democrats hadn't been pointing to Biden's declining cognitive state as justification for putting Kamala forward as their presidential candidate. Really, why hasn't something further been done about Biden being in charge. I mean he was even let slide on charges regarding classified documents because of his mental health. Anyway, that's not really relative to the OT.
 
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Interesting but I'm sure nothing will come of it either way. Too much invested in Orange Man Insurrectionist.

This is not new, it was known at the time. No official order was given, in fact if you look at the statement made there Trump doesn't make any specifics and just tells Milley "do whatever he can"

The thing is Trump wanted the military there on the side of him and the protestors, not necessarily to protect the Capitol.
While I have no issues with the Presidential right of Pardon, I have to question how the ones being given by Biden are not contestable given his cognitive issues. To be fair, if he's impaired enough that he wasn't viable to run against Trump during the last election why is he even still in his position. Authority should have been handed over to Harris.
Biden dropped out because he lost the faith of the party, not because he was impaired. You can say that the perception of him being impaired is why his approval rating plummeted and why he lost the faith of the party but its not accurate to say Biden stepped down because he was impaired.
 
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That person should never be in charge of anything again. I doubt what he did was criminal, but certainly worthy of discharge.
 
This is not new, it was known at the time. No official order was given, in fact if you look at the statement made there Trump doesn't make any specifics and just tells Milley "do whatever he can"

The thing is Trump wanted the military there on the side of him and the protestors, not necessarily to protect the Capitol.

Biden dropped out because he lost the faith of the party, not because he was impaired. You can say that the perception of him being impaired is why his approval rating plummeted and why he lost the faith of the party but its not accurate to say Biden stepped down because he was impaired.
Without specific details otherwise, one could lean toward Trump wanting to make sure there were no issues with counter-protestors just as easily as the more outlandish idea that he wanted them there so they could assist in a coup. Really, it comes down to what one believes about Trump and his overall motivations. If you think he's Hitler, you're going to see every action or comment he makes in that light.

Personally, I don't believe the military would have done jack shit to assist a coup even if ordered so having them there would in all likelihood have worked as a preventative.
 
Without specific details otherwise, one could lean toward Trump wanting to make sure there were no issues with counter-protestors just as easily as the more outlandish idea that he wanted them there so they could assist in a coup. Really, it comes down to what one believes about Trump and his overall motivations. If you think he's Hitler, you're going to see every action or comment he makes in that light.
JD Vance is on sherdog?

 
Without specific details otherwise, one could lean toward Trump wanting to make sure there were no issues with counter-protestors just as easily as the more outlandish idea that he wanted them there so they could assist in a coup. Really, it comes down to what one believes about Trump and his overall motivations. If you think he's Hitler, you're going to see every action or comment he makes in that light.

Personally, I don't believe the military would have done jack shit to assist a coup even if ordered so having them there would in all likelihood have worked as a preventative.
To be clear here, do you deny that Trump's motivation in organizing the Jan 6th rally and the fake elector scene leading up to it was to overturn the election results? Or do you agree that was the case but that he didn't intend on using the military to facilitate that?
 
Without specific details otherwise, one could lean toward Trump wanting to make sure there were no issues with counter-protestors just as easily as the more outlandish idea that he wanted them there so they could assist in a coup. Really, it comes down to what one believes about Trump and his overall motivations. If you think he's Hitler, you're going to see every action or comment he makes in that light.

Personally, I don't believe the military would have done jack shit to assist a coup even if ordered so having them there would in all likelihood have worked as a preventative.

I mean, you don't have to think Trump is Hitler to know that his people were certainly planning to overturn the results of the election.

Their plan is literally in writing.
 
definitely believable! keep repeating it over and over and eventually it will become true. like the secret, but even sadder and for people with borderline personality disorder
 
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The adverb literally means "actually," and we use it when we want others to know we're serious, not exaggerating or being metaphorical.

Here is the coup plot in their own writing.

Hope this helps.

  1. VP Pence, presiding over the joint session (or Senate Pro Tempore Grassley, if Pence recuses himself), begins to open and count the ballots, starting with Alabama (without conceding that the procedure, specified by the Electoral Count Act, of going through the States alphabetically is required).
  2. When he gets to Arizona, he announces that he has multiple slates of electors, and so is going to defer decision on that until finishing the other States. This would be the first break with the procedure set out in the Act.
  3. At the end, he announces that because of the ongoing disputes in the 7 States, there are no electors that can be deemed validly appointed in those States. That means the total number of "electors appointed" – the language of the 12th Amendment – is 454. This reading of the 12th Amendment has also been advanced by Harvard Law Professor Laurence Tribe. A "majority of the electors appointed" would therefore be 228. There are at this point 232 votes for Trump, 222 votes for Biden. Pence then gavels President Trump as re-elected.
  4. Howls, of course, from the Democrats, who now claim, contrary to Tribe's prior position, that 270 is required. So Pence says, fine. Pursuant to the 12th Amendment, no candidate has achieved the necessary majority. That sends the matter to the House, where “the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote ..." Republicans currently control 26 of the state delegations, the bare majority needed to win that vote. President Trump is re-elected there as well.
  5. One last piece. Assuming the Electoral Count Act process is followed and, upon getting the objections to the Arizona slates, the two houses break into their separate chambers, we should not allow the Electoral Count Act constraint on debate to control. That would mean that a prior legislature was determining the rules of the present one – a constitutional no-no (as Tribe has forcefully argued). So someone – Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, etc. – should demand normal rules (which includes the filibuster). That creates a stalemate that would give the state legislatures more time to weigh in to formally support the alternate slate of electors, if they had not already done so.
  6. The main thing here is that Pence should do this without asking for permission – either from a vote of the joint session or from the Court. Let the other side challenge his actions in court, where Tribe (who in 2001 conceded the President of the Senate might be in charge of counting the votes) and others who would press a lawsuit would have their past position – that these are non-justiciable political questions – thrown back at them, to get the lawsuit dismissed. The fact is that the Constitution assigns this power to the Vice President as the ultimate arbiter. We should take all of our actions with that in mind.
 
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