Izzy is just overrated striker

[C0NCH3TO]

Izzy and Pereira are two damn good strikers, but novices in the grappling department. When you have such 1 dimensional guys ruling a division, it tells you something.

Anderson was way more dynamic and well rounded, hell…. even good ole Rich Franklin.

 

[pankrat]

Izzy and Pereira are two damn good strikers, but novices in the grappling department. When you have such 1 dimensional guys ruling a division, it tells you something.

Anderson was way more dynamic and well rounded, hell…. even good ole Rich Franklin.

Pereira just beat Jan and defended pretty well.
Adesanya defends pretty well in the grappling department too.
Rich Franklin was not that well-rounded compared to them.
Silva was just head and shoulders above the rest.

 

[Frode Falch]

What if...and this is going to be a fucking retarded take so be prepared....the dudes he was fighting in title fights weren't so bad themselves?

Because it seems like Izzy's had a pretty great career from my casual perspective.

Haha brilliant post. But most nerds wont get this

 

[RonDante]

He’s 5 and 5 in his last 10, outstruck by romero jan pereira sean, outjabbed by Whittaker in the rematch despite a 7 inch reach advantage, can’t finish people unless they run into him with their hands down, if he can’t leg kick you he is completely lost, what a great striker

 

[OldFashion]

Izzy and Pereira are two damn good strikers, but novices in the grappling department. When you have such 1 dimensional guys ruling a division, it tells you something.

Anderson was way more dynamic and well rounded, hell…. even good ole Rich Franklin.

Anderson might have had better BJJ once it hit the ground but Izzy has far superior takedown defense compared to Anderson

 

[surgeyou1]

So what about Strickland's fight with Cannonier? That wasn't close?

 

[pankrat]

Anderson might have had better BJJ once it hit the ground but Izzy has far superior takedown defense compared to Anderson

Far superior based on what?

Adesanya got taken down by Vettori and Whittaker 4 times each, apart from Jan. Against that caliber of opposition, Silva would look as a very solid wrestler too.

It took one of the best MMA adapted wrestlers ever at MW in Sonnen to really have his way in that department with Silva.
Adesanya simply wasnt tested against that caliber of wrestling.
The best wrestler at MW in recent times has likely been Derek Brunson, and even vs a badly washed up Silva in his 40s, he struggled to impose his wrestling on him.

 

[Airdack]

Had close fight with Cannonier,Whittaker,Romero and lost to Jan Pereira and Sean on the feet.

People overrated Izzys striking because he is bad matchup for Alex and he still lost to him 3 times.

Izzy is jabbable as fck has very poor boxing defence, bad boxing combinations, throws sloppy leaping hooks againt the fence and he doesn't have power too and doesn't attack the body

Izzy is a great striker, just very limited at what he's great with. He's a through and through counter strike and the problem is it relies on his opponent being willing to exchange with him. Izzy's willingness to sit against the cage to hunt counters is a bad habit though.

Sean comes along, a guy who has good pressure/footwork, doesn't over commit punches, and doesn't get caught up in exchanges or brawls. What that equals is Izzy has no real opportunity at his usual counters like we've seen in many of his UFC finishes. Since Izzy is limited, he's not able to adjust.

 

[Cpt Migraine]

Why does mma fans hate mma? And everyone involved in mma.. it's absurd..

 

[Nobru]

I dont think Izzy is overrated, hes decent

I also dont think theres room to compare him to Anderson anymore. Izzy last performance was embarassing to say the least. ZERO clinches. ZERO. Now imagine how Anderson @ 34 would do x Sean.

Thanks.

 

[613]

He isn't Anderson level. But he has great striking. His boxing offence and defence isn't that good though

 

[Goutfather]

izzy was never bad. but it’s 100% correct to say he was always overrated, and never that good. since his fight with anderson, reality never matched the hype. even before that, his first fight with vettori was damn close. his first title defense vs yoel pretty much removed all doubt that he was not the dominant force he was hyped to be. people were saying this all along too, so it’s not like suddenly they decided to shit on izzy once he became a loser.

the only way you can call him “dominant” is if you focus exclusively on his w/l record without addressing the actual fights. even then, you have to confine your eyes to middleweight because the jan fight happened.

 

[pankrat]

izzy was never bad. but it’s 100% correct to say he was always overrated, and never that good. since his fight with anderson, reality never matched the hype. even before that, his first fight with vettori was damn close. his first title defense vs yoel pretty much removed all doubt that he was not the dominant force he was hyped to be. people were saying this all along too, so it’s not like suddenly they decided to shit on izzy once he became a loser.

the only way you can call him “dominant” is if you focus exclusively on his w/l record without addressing the actual fights. even then, you have to confine your eyes to middleweight because the jan fight happened.

The Whittaker rematch could have gone the other way too

 

[C0NCH3TO]

Anderson might have had better BJJ once it hit the ground but Izzy has far superior takedown defense compared to Anderson

True, but saying that isn’t much of a compliment. Izzy’s tdd wasn’t Aldo or Liddell type of. He got taken down repeatedly by d1 Jan and looked like s belly up turtle on his back. You think Andy was gonna let you l&p his ass without any triangle attempts? lol.

 

[pankrat]

True, but saying that isn’t much of a compliment. Izzy’s tdd wasn’t Aldo or Liddell type of. He got taken down repeatedly by d1 Jan and looked like s belly up turtle on his back. You think Andy was gonna let you l&p his ass without any triangle attempts? lol.

Adesanya got taken down by Vettori or Whittaker too. 4 times each.

No, it's not true that his takedown defense was "far superior" than Silva's.
If Anderson only had to defend takedowns from Vettori, Whittaker or Jan he would look like a good deffensive wrestler too, as he shut down the TD attempts from as good if not more skilled wrestlers than the aforementioned in Okami, Brunson or Marquardt.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Izzy is a great striker, just very limited at what he's great with. He's a through and through counter strike and the problem is it relies on his opponent being willing to exchange with him. Izzy's willingness to sit against the cage to hunt counters is a bad habit though.

Sean comes along, a guy who has good pressure/footwork, doesn't over commit punches, and doesn't get caught up in exchanges or brawls. What that equals is Izzy has no real opportunity at his usual counters like we've seen in many of his UFC finishes. Since Izzy is limited, he's not able to adjust.

It seems to me as well that Izzy has fallen into the same trap as other big names as well and become narrower, he's always been a counter fighter but if you look at his lead stuff against say Costa it seems faster and crisper to me so I'm wondering if his training for Alex has shifted him even more towards just being a counter fighter.

 

[The Don]

I picked Strickland to win and who are these elite strikers bar Alex a fucking one dimensional Whittaker lmao and he is nightmare for Alex stylistically and still Alex owns him

And what about Whittaker is "one dimensional" exactly? Or are you referring to a combination he likes to use time and time again? Because those two things are completely different.

Odd how someone as one dimensional as Whittaker has cleaned out the division twice over except DDP. Whittaker must have some magic hidden somewhere for him to be able to do so and land his signature combination despite everyone knowing about it. It is as if, he sets it up so well that they still manage to get hit despite knowing about it and training for it.

 

[pankrat]

And what about Whittaker is "one dimensional" exactly? Or are you referring to a combination he likes to use time and time again? Because those two things are completely different.

Odd how someone as one dimensional as Whittaker has cleaned out the division twice over except DDP. Whittaker must have some magic hidden somewhere for him to be able to do so and land his signature combination despite everyone knowing about it. It is as if, he sets it up so well that they still manage to get hit despite knowing about it and training for it.

Whittaker can strike and wrestle very well. He is a tough match up for strikers and grapplers.
To call him one dimensional is retarded

 

[The Don]

Whittaker can strike and wrestle very well. He is a tough match up for strikers and grapplers.
To call him one dimensional is retarded

Even if we remove his grappling, what about Whittaker's standup game is one dimensional? If Whittaker's is one dimensional, I don't know what to call Strickland's.

 

[onSMASH]

Never was a fan.

Jones would of killed this guy, Izzy should be glad that fight never happened lol.