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It's official, there is NO historical presedence for what the UFC is doing to Tom

The only way it makes business sense is if Jon beat Tom and retired. Would be very hard to sell anyone in the division as legit knowing the best guy lost to the champ who just retired. Almost better for Tom to continue steamrolling the division without risking him losing to a guy with no future value.
I don't think Tom losing to Jon is likely, but that's the only reasoning I can see that makes any sense.
 
muaythaibeast said:
The only way it makes business sense is if Jon beat Tom and retired. Would be very hard to sell anyone in the division as legit knowing the best guy lost to the champ who just retired. Almost better for Tom to continue steamrolling the division without risking him losing to a guy with no future value.
I don't think Tom losing to Jon is likely, but that's the only reasoning I can see that makes any sense.
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It still doesn't make sense because Tom would become a far bigger star by beating Jon than he would beating anyone else.

If he were to lose to Jones then the next guy in line would take his place.
 
GluttonforPunishment said:
At this point I'm sure some of you worthless sherdoggers would sacrifice your firstborn just to see the man lose. Pathetic
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What's pathetic is caring if some guy who is fighting the #8 and refusing to fight the #1 protects his legacy.

We are fight fans who want to see the biggest fights. Not divas who cry about protecting peoples legacies.

You are not an MMA fan if you don't want to see Jon and Aspinall fight.
 
MarioLemieux said:
What's pathetic is caring if some guy who is fighting the #8 and refusing to fight the #1 protects his legacy.

We are fight fans who want to see the biggest fights. Not divas who cry about protecting peoples legacies.

You are not an MMA fan if you don't want to see Jon and Aspinall fight.
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Tom is nobody outside of haters who want to see Jon fight a bigger younger guy and have a chance to lose. You are pathetic as well as the rest. He's given us more than a decade of excellence and it's not enough. We have to see him knocked out cold or subbed or dominated. He's earned the right to choose his fights. He also said he'd vacate after his defense. So wtf are you crying about? His defense is today? You know that right?
 
MarioLemieux said:
It still doesn't make sense because Tom would become a far bigger star by beating Jon than he would beating anyone else.

If he were to lose to Jones then the next guy in line would take his place.
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How does that hold up if Tom starches every other guy, which you would expect?
You'd have a situation where the guy that's head and shoulders clear of the division is seen as inferior to the guy before him.
 
GluttonforPunishment said:
Tom is nobody outside of haters who want to see Jon fight a bigger younger guy and have a chance to lose. You are pathetic as well as the rest. He's given us more than a decade of excellence and it's not enough. We have to see him knocked out cold or subbed or dominated. He's earned the right to choose his fights. He also said he'd vacate after his defense. So wtf are you crying about? His defense is today? You know that right?
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Ankalaev is an absolute nobody compared to Tom, yet we want him to be given the title shot he's earned. Almost everybody in combat sports is a nobody. Jones was an absolute nobody when Shogun gave him his fight, should he have refused and pushed for a fight with Tito instead?
Regardless of what you've done in the sport, you aren't bigger than the sport. The belt should always be more important than the bloke holding it.
 
GluttonforPunishment said:
The beloved GSP went up beat the most beatable champ in middleweight history and promptly retired before a defense. Same scrutiny never fell on him because he's a nice guy. You sycophants are bloodthirsty to see Jones hilariously knocked out. Just pray Stipe does it.
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GSP did that and retired immediately afterwards. He didn't hang around and take 2 years to pick a fight with Rich Franklin instead of fighting actual contenders. Thats the difference.
If Jones had retired immediately after beating Gane none of this would be an issue.
 
MarioLemieux said:
It makes sense for the UFC to try and protect Alex because he still has several paydays left in him. Jon is at the end of the road. That's why this is bafffling.

What they're doing here is bad business,

but why?
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because they're trying to erase Ngannou of course. that's what this is about, and Jon just happens to have the record and all that comes with it that can help overshadow Ngannou's reign. that's why he's fighting the last 2 guys Ngannou fought. he already smoked Gane easier than Ngannou did even if Ngannou had a knee injury it doesn't matter they're selling to casuals.

even with all the hate Jon is getting, it's better from the UFC's perspective than people constantly saying Ngannou is the real champion. anything to help kill and weaken Ngannou's claim to the lineal title.
 
Can’t stand jones but I tend to agree with him. Tom is not going to be remembered as one of the greats but he’ll be remembered for a long time. Nothing in the fight for him at all.
 
MarioLemieux said:
Dana didn't give a piss about Jones before, he threw him to the wolves any chance he could.

This business is run based on money not Dana's ego. Dana answers to Ari at the end of the day. Something bizarre is going on behind the scenes.

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Dana wants Jon/Aspinall. His normal tactic when trying to get fights made (for as cheap for the UFC as possible) is to try to bully the fighters into taking them. He tried that with Jon when it came to Ngannou, and Jon didn't respond well to it. What's the new tactic? Fluff his ego. Be his friend and advocate. Believe me, if Jon does end up giving a firm no and handing the belt back, Dana will be talking shit about him again at the next press conference.
 
jooohnmatrix said:
Can’t stand jones but I tend to agree with him. Tom is not going to be remembered as one of the greats but he’ll be remembered for a long time. Nothing in the fight for him at all.
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So Jon is saying he has too big a chance to lose to the interim champ and rightful contender and doesn't want the smoke and you agree with him?

Are we fans of the sport or catering to the ego's of narcisists?
 
It's like Du Plessis asking to fight Anderson Silva instead of Chimaev
 
MarioLemieux said:
It makes sense for the UFC to try and protect Alex because he still has several paydays left in him. Jon is at the end of the road. That's why this is bafffling.

What they're doing here is bad business,

but why?
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They're getting a lot of bad buzz. People are catching on that the UFC is playing out these narratives. There are a lot of unsold seats at MSG. People don't see this as the big event Dana wanted it to be. They see it as a 'Duck Contest' where Jon is fighting an old man who isn't active in this sport when there is a young hungry lion who is more deserving of the fight.
 
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