It’s crazy how much Jon Jones is ahead of everyone as GOAT

[WorldclassD]

Regarding the "weak LHW division"

I kind of agree - but consider that we might be biased:

1. Wouldn't you say DC and Jones were one of the best top2 of any division during any time? Consider how that makes the rest of the division seem weak by comparison.

absolutely not

FW at one point had Conor, Mendes, Edgar, Aldo, and Holloway all at the top. That's 5 Goats right there. That absolutely shits all over your arguement. Just go look at the LW rankings. Conor Khabib and Tony is 3 goats at the top. The fact that you have to limit LHW down to only 2 great fighters at the top, shows how utter shit LHW is. The lower weight classes don't just have a top 2 of truly great fighters, they have a top 5 and a top 10 stacked with more then just 2 great fighters lol. You are only proving how pathetically weak LHW is. And the numbers would prove it even more so. LHW has the least amount of fighters signed to the roster compared to any other division. Meaning LHW is factually the most shallow division in MMA. All the talent and depth in MMA is at the lower weight classes. Both Jones and DC are insanely over rated. They both get hyped as "elite" because of their close fights against each other, when in reality, both dont hold a candle to the skill set and fight IQ of a lower weight class fighter. Stipe just looked far impressive against DC, then Jones ever did, and Stipe was actually clean. So even HWs are more skilled then the best LHWs

2. "The dominant champ paradox".

This is another retarded arguement. No, LHW is just garbage, and always has been. Which is why Jones has "defended" his "LHW" title against so many MWs. LHW is the only division that is so shit, that all it takes to get a title shot there is 1 or 2 big wins. Gus literally got a title shot off a loss. Most of the time Jones was "defending" against fighters who had NO more then winning streaks of 1 or 2 lmao. LHW is just garbage, and always has been. Nothing hides that fact. LHW being so weak is the only reason why Jones rose to the top. Think about how many young contenders came up alongside Jones. Only Gus, and Gus beat him. Now Imagine if Jones were competing in an actual young stacked talent rich talent pool like FW/LW? Jones wouldnt crack the top 15 in either with his current game. Jones is the result of being a microscopic bacteria dwelling in a single droplet of water. While FW and LW are the fucking Pacific Ocean. The greatest fighter has to be Gsp or a FW/LW

LHW is just now finally starting to get some fresh new faces with Reyes and Rajic. I bet Jones losses to both proving how he was also the benefactor of the right place at the right time in a shit division while being allowed to legally use steroids

 

[Andreh]

DA NUMBER TWO UNDISPUTED GOAT, ONLY BEHIND THE NUMBER ONE GOAT ANDERSON "THE SPIDER" SILVA.

Bless.

 

[WorldclassD]

If I had to pick the #1 thing most impressive about Jones it would be that he's never been rocked badly.

Arguably he's got the best defensive record of all time.

Sure, sometimes he'll eat a lot of shots - like against Gus. But he's never come close to being KO'd and that's arguably one of the most important things in terms of defense.

Im truly amazed at just how many genuinely retarded posts you can make on one page alone, in the span of a couple minutes

You must be a "special" one aren't you?

"Sure Jones gets hit a lot, but he has great defense"

WTF

If Jones is getting hit a lot, then he doesnt have good defense period

Jones just has a good chin. A chin is not defense

Jones has never been rocked because hes a fucking HW hopped up on steroids fighting a bunch of MWs and senior citizens who dont have a chance in hell of hurting him even when they land clean

If I never got rocked fighting a bunch of kindergarteners who never had a chance in hell of ever hurting with me punches, that doesnt mean I have great defense

Jones himself is not confident in his shitty defense.

Otherwise he wouldve tested himself against a HW puncher with TDD defense. But Jones himself knows he does not have the defense to avoid that 1 big shot consistently. Jones loves relying on his chin against MWs and senior citizens who cant hurt his steroid jaw

 

[ermac88]

Same things can be said about fedor,but there is a difference:
-jones got caught using peds and drugs
-lhw division during jones run was way less competitive than hw during fedor"s run
-fedor was always smaller than his opponents and jones was always bigger than his opponents
- jones never fought at hw,which by default is tougher competition
-fedor never fought in ufc (lol) and jones never fought in pride

Come on.

Fedor was in an organization that encouraged and distributed steroids

Jones knocked out the UFC HW champ

And hes beat the shit out of so called Pride legends (at 29)

 

[empsim]

juice nullifies every accomplishment sorry

delete the olympic records and pretty much every other sports accomplishment then

 

[ermac88]

Jones is a great fighter, but unlike some other contenders to GOAT-status he has been busted for coward juice. In a close contest ultimately decided by subjective opinions and personal values that puts him out of the GOAT-conversation for me.

None of the other goats have heavily participate under USADA.
Silva has had 4 fights, GSp 1.

Fedor was in an organization that encouraged and distributed steroids to fighters.

Lets not be naive

 

[cheesus]

One of the few GOATS to fail a drug test too

 

[TonyF2020]

I always saw JJ is one of GOATs until his run from Smith To Gus 2 to Santos. Lackstur fights with one of them being a SD that many people saw Santos clearly winning 3 rounds

Khabib is the only champ and fighter who never had a SD. GSP had a SD and lost to Hendrix. Adesanya had SD I think with Vittori

And I see GSP as GOAT but SD are very dark mark on the record because it means it would take 1 judge to look similarly to the other and the fighter would lose and in case of GSP would loose a 16 win streak and JJ too.

Truly undefeated, unbeaten and untested is only Khabib. I dont know what people saw in Tibau fight but I watched it 3 times and still saw Khabib more agressive, more damage, more TDs, more control and pressure

Maybe incel bloody elbow and MMA Junkie pornography golden shower lovers saw it differently but their nerd mind was not there. Judges were there and clearly Khabib was a winner. I understand getting a SD wrong but how can 3 judges see UD as wrong and give it to another fighter?

If Khabib beats Tony convincingly then Khabib>GSP>JJ
=

But all 3 men are in another galaxy comparing to the rest. Khabib GSP and JJ are GOATS in their own leaguge

Not Fedor, Not DJ, nah

Maybe Tony. Tony has also potential but he did loose and Had a SD with Danny which many saw as a loss and Tony has been dominated but even Abel Trujillo and dropped multiple times.

 

[PEDS Help me Post]

None of the other goats have heavily participate under USADA.
Silva has had 4 fights, GSp 1.

Fedor was in an organization that encouraged and distributed steroids to fighters.

Lets not be naive

There's a big difference between being in an organization where everybody is allowed to use steroids than being caught cheating repeatedly in an organization that does not allow steroids.

I'll let you try and figure it out on your own.

 

[Zach The Maniac]

Nope he popped multiple times he will never be in GOAT discussion

 

[Black Mamba]

He’s the goat regardless of PEDs because everyone he fought was using too

 

[TR1]

He’s the goat regardless of PEDs because everyone he fought was using too

Interesting how he is the one who keeps popping though.

It's not fair!

 

[ThunderStruck]

Glad to see you’ve accepted gsp is far away from GOAT due to hiding behind a small weightclass
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Learn to read you fucktard. By your own, ridiculous logic, Stipe is the goat.

 

[GrayArea]

Learn to read you fucktard. By your own, ridiculous logic, Stipe is the goat.

Stipe been KO’d multiple times (including by common opponent Jones outclassed) and lost clear decisions before

Jones the GOAT
GSP a tiny manlet who is levels below Jon, deal with reality bud

 

[ThunderStruck]

Stipe been KO’d multiple times (including by common opponent Jones outclassed) and lost clear decisions before

Jones the GOAT
GSP a tiny manlet who is levels below Jon, deal with reality bud

But stipe is fighting bigger grown up men with KO power so that puts him above Jones and everyone else, by your own logic. Are you trying to say that your perfect logic is in fact, flawed?

 

[GrayArea]

But stipe is fighting bigger grown up men with KO power so that puts him above Jones and everyone else, by your own logic. Are you trying to say that your perfect logic is in fact, flawed?

No, you’re just so upset you can’t read properly

first thing written in my thread is Jones has never been decisioned, KO’d, subbed, or tapped to strikes

JonesGOAT
Gsp manlet, deal with it crybaby

 

[JoeyJoeJoeJr]

Proven cheaters cant be goats. This might be the only sport ive ever seen where fans try and prop cheaters up as goats.

 

[DatSamboKid]

I would agree if it wasn’t for the blatant PED usage on couple occasions. If you try to put that aside, he is #1 by far, any other active fighter claiming GOAT status is laughable.

 

[Weidman]

 

[kflo]

Google would say otherwise

you're lying.

google doesn't say otherwise. again, it was a factual statement.