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No I don't think they're committing a genocide but a lot of their leadership would certainly like to influence an ethnic cleansing of at least Gaza.
Thank you for being straight about that and not attempting to accuse/smear me as a supporter of the Iranian regime just because of my stance on this issue/regime change.

While I disagree severely on the genocide part and I think that is very soft language for what is and has been going on and Shirley many other thing RE: the ME, I at least appreciate your straight answer here, that is far more than I've gotten from several people here on various issues.
 
Western propagandists in the media warning of Iran getting a nuke within months for 25 years straight.


The thing about this statement is that 25 years is a very long time. Who is to say Iran doesn't already have a nuke? No signs that they have tested one underground, but that does not mean they don't have one. Israel was able to hide their nuclear program for years and never truly tested their nukes. Once you have a nuke, you need to be able to deliver it. A bomber will not work. We are not in 1945. It has to be a missile, and for that the weapon has to be relatively small to fit on top of the missile. Iran already has the missile. 25 years is plenty of time to build a small nuke to fit on a missile. Specially if you are getting help from Pakistan, North Korea, and Russia. Iran has pulled quite a few rabbits out of the hat since last Friday. Things no one was expecting. What else will Iran surprise the world with?
 
What difference would this make? Israel has already communicated this implictly and expliclty in the past several decades. It's also entertained the possibility of nuking allies and neutral countries as blackmail if it faces national destruction.

Israel fundamentally can't admit they have nuclear weapons without opening a major can of worms. Namely the continued imprisonment of a whistle blower they abducted from the UK years ago and put in house arrest like a petty junta. It would also lead to NPT problems.
It blows my mind that anyone still defends the Israeli regime. It seems some of it is low info, but these days my guess is the majority is ideological. The mask has been really pulled off
 
The thing about this statement is that 25 years is a very long time. Who is to say Iran doesn't already have a nuke? No signs that they have tested one underground, but that does not mean they don't have one. Israel was able to hide their nuclear program for years and never truly tested their nukes. Once you have a nuke, you need to be able to deliver it. A bomber will not work. We are not in 1945. It has to be a missile, and for that the weapon has to be relatively small to fit on top of the missile. Iran already has the missile. 25 years is plenty of time to build a small nuke to fit on a missile. Specially if you are getting help from Pakistan, North Korea, and Russia. Iran has pulled quite a few rabbits out of the hat since last Friday. Things no one was expecting. What else will Iran surprise the world with?


All the highest Western estimates have Iran enriching uranium to 60%. You need to enrich to 90% to have weapons grade plutonium.
 
China, India, the US, and most of Europe would hate Pakistan, not to mention Iran and Saudi Arabia for double dealing. If you're going to sell nukes, it doesn't make sense to sell to both sides of a conflict, that's pure stupidity.
I don't think Pakistan cares. It is already on the low end of the scale for many countries. Has the US not sold military weaponry to both sides in the past? Prior to a conflict of course. Depending on where you stand on an issue, it is not stupid at all to help both sides eliminate each other. Another thing the US has done in the past.
Or the fact that Pakistan stores its nukes disassembled and would find it a nightmare to teach other countries to do the same.
Pakistan stores its nukes disassembled? Where did you hear that? Not much of a defense if you have to put things together while being attacked. How is it a nightmare for other countries to assemble a weapon? Pakistan would most likely send a small team with the weapon if that was the case.
 
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No one said otherwise bud, that doesn't change anything. That's not a gotcha

How are they less of a threat to the region when they fund and arm terrorists.. you know, the kind that cause terror in the region? Hello?

Iran is not some saintly country that is just getting picked on. Their hands are just as dirty here as Israel’s. I wish people would stop being delusional about them.
 
I don't think Pakistan cares. It is already on the low end of the scale for many countries.
They plainly do, otherwise they wouldn't have folded to diplomatic pressure during their most recent round of hostilities with India. And again, IMF money comes with strings attached, I don't think you realize how much power the US exerts over it. Selling nukes isn't worth giving up tens of billions of dollars in loans to stabilize your economy.
Has the US not sold military weaponry to both sides in the past?
We sure as shit don't sell nukes to both sides of a conflict, let alone strategic weapons.
Pakistan stores its nukes disassembled? Where did you hear that? Not much of a defense if you have to put things together while being attacked. How is it a nightmare for other countries to assemble a weapon? Pakistan would most likely send a small team with the weapon if that was the case. With the instruction manual and warranty of course. 😛
Let's just say assembling a nuke (which you would do during times of crisis, not after you get attacked) is a little more complicated than Ikea furniture.
 
All the highest Western estimates have Iran enriching uranium to 60%. You need to enrich to 90% to have weapons grade plutonium.
Weapons grade Uranium (U-235). The Iranians are not working with Plutonium (Pu-239).
Yes, a 90% enrichment would be ideal.
It is generally considered easier to produce Plutonium-239 (Pu-239) than to enrich Uranium-235 (U-235) for weapons or nuclear fuel. While both are fissile materials used in nuclear weapons and reactors, Pu-239 is produced from U-238 (a naturally abundant isotope) in nuclear reactors, while U-235 needs to be separated from U-238 through a more complex and costly enrichment process. Iran should have gone with Plutonium.
 
Trump’s about to get us into a new forever war, and Congressional dems, with very few exceptions, don't have a goddamn thing to say. Obviously the Republicans are cowtowing to him, but the opposition party is supposed to, y'know, oppose dangerous and illegal shit like this. Primaries next year need to be an absolute bloodbath for incumbent dems.
 
How are they less of a threat to the region when they fund and arm terrorists.. you know, the kind that cause terror in the region? Hello?

Iran is not some saintly country that is just getting picked on. Their hands are just as dirty here as Israel’s. I wish people would stop being delusional about them.
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... Do you know literally anything about what the US or Israel has gotten up to over there? Anything at all?

Iran isn't committing a genocide, they don't have nukes, they haven't invaded anyone in decades... need I go on? Yeah, their regime sucks, so did Iraq's, that didn't justify an illegal war then either. It also becomes the height of hypocrisy when you look at Israel and the US' escapades in that region and the fact that Israel likely has nukes, illegally, and is highly aggressive and is committing a genocide.
 
Trump’s about to get us into a new forever war, and Congressional dems, with very few exceptions, don't have a goddamn thing to say. Obviously the Republicans are cowtowing to him, but the opposition party is supposed to, y'know, oppose dangerous and illegal shit like this. Primaries next year need to be an absolute bloodbath for incumbent dems.
I really think the Democrats are controlled opposition at this point, minus a few. They abandoned the working class long ago and seem as bloodthirsty as the GOP. AIPAC owns them both.
 
Selling nukes isn't worth giving up tens of billions of dollars in loans to stabilize your economy.
How much do you think those Pakistani nukes cost? It is done through the 'black market,' so tracing it is relatively difficult. Pakistan supports Iran in this conflict. Plus, Russia cannot account for all its nukes since 1992.
We sure as shit don't sell nukes to both sides of a conflict.
Not nukes, but conventional weapons.
Let's just say assembling a nuke (which you would do during times of crisis, not after you get attacked) is a little more complicated than Ikea furniture.
Indeed. That is why you want to keep the warhead assembled. Do you think the US nuclear arsenal is currently disassembled? No. The warhead is fully assembled inside the ICBM sitting in their silos. It has to be maintained like everything else. The U.S. Air Force has a team of personnel designed specifically for that. Every couple of years they take samples of the warhead, check on wirings, seals, and things related to the maintenance of the ICBM itself. The US ICBM fleet is over 60 years old but fully functional. :eek:
I don't know I can say the same about the Russian nuclear missile fleet.
 
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How much do you think those Pakistani nukes cost? It is done in the 'black market,' so tracing it is relatively difficult. Pakistan supports Iran in this conflict.
If you're factoring in R&D of the entire program and infrastructure, at least a couple billion per warhead.

And why would Pakistan support Iran here? Saudi Arabia is a much more logical ally, economically, geopolitically and religiously.
Not nukes, but conventional weapons.
Yes, which is night and day from, again, nuclear weapons worth a couple billion dollars each. We don't even really sell ballistic missiles with serious range to allies, let alone both sides of conflicts.
Do you think the US nuclear arsenal is currently disassembled?
The US has a slightly more sane society with fewer army coups and crazy factions than Pakistan. We also have better PAL and command and control, a a significantly less bad internal terrorism problem these days.
 
And why would Pakistan support Iran here? Saudi Arabia is a much more logical ally, economically, geopolitically and religiously.
Both countries follow Islam as a religion. Neither care much for the existence of Israel.
 
Both countries follow Islam as a religion. Neither care much for the existence of Israel.
I see you aren't taking into consideration this little thing called sectarianism. Ya know, what animates a lot of Iran and Saudi Arabia's rivalry
 
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