International Israel - Iran Conflict: PEACE DEAL CONFIRMED

[Rational Poster]

Just two weeks before the October 7th attacks, Netanyahu sent the head of the Mossad to Qatar to secure additional money for financial aid to Hamas.

Netanyahu is complicit in keeping Hamas afloat for years.

They weren't providing lethal support and military training like Iran. Lmao

Hamas was the government of the region, would you prefer they be denied funding for critical public services?

 

[Rational Poster]

Are we really going to say Iran has the lion's share of blame for the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, Syria and Yemen?

That is a ridiculous ahistorical reading of the record.

No, I don't think it's ahistorical at all. They did provide the lion's share of military material support to most of those conflict. The only other major arms contributor would be Russia.

 

[avenue94]

What about hostages? Those can be valuable too! Terror attacks? Threats? All good chips to trade in for some money! I mean if I wanted to cut a deal I’d probably let the other party know I’m building a bomb! It’s just good business. No risks.

So you're saying that countries shouldn't use coercive tactics during negotiation while at the same time arguing that the US and Israel should bomb Iran to get it back to the negotiating table?

Did you also forget how Israel blackmailed the US into resupplying it by threatening to deploy nuclear weapons? Such a short memory.

Diplomacy didn’t stop Iran from being a menace to the region.

And what do that have to do with constraining Iran's nuclear ambitions? I swear, we could be discussing fixing American health care and you'd claim it's a waste of time because it doesn't stop Iran from arming its proxies.

Or. To gain nuclear weapons! Nah.

That's literally what I said, you dumb parrot. "Or a deterrent"

 

[MrShady]

Definitley pro Israel taking out Iran nuke tech. Definitley not in favor of US being directly involved in war . But appears to late as imo the rubicon been crossed already due to Trumps mouf. Are where we are - no reason for half measures now we're already in. Now its about speed. Go in use the bombs wipe out all nuclear tech and eliminate their Islamic leadership n hope a better place arises . Hopefully next version will have ability to communicate and be diplomatic.

Faster US/Israel finish this the better for both an West maybe. Longer they drag feet more sympathy Iran will build (deserve it or not the left will fall all over selves to defend the "Saintly" Iran Islamic regime.

A battle of time imo right now. If Israel/US end this in 2 weeks it goes well for both if it goes longer I think while they win the battle for sure sooner or later it bites them in ass more than it ever helped.

Israel/ US need stop dragging feet and pulling punches .

Yeah definitely don't pay attention to the Gaza situation and how long Israel has been collaterally killing women and children there and definitely they'll be able to do better in Iran and not kill women and children.

In and out. Lmao how gullible and naive you lot are.

 

[avenue94]

Definitley pro Israel taking out Iran nuke tech.

Is the plan to just perpetually bomb Iran every couple of years then?

Do you know who they're using that as a bargaining chip against? Guessing China, but what do they get in the bargain?

Or do you think those two are just flat out going to finish making the weapons?

Nuclear guarantee from the US, US military support and troops stationed there, access to strategic weapons that that we wouldn't sell to an ally with nuclear weapons, etc.

 

[Hog-train]

They weren't providing lethal support and military training like Iran. Lmao

No they only kept them afloat when they were on the verge of collapse (because the PA cut off their funding.)

For the stated purpose (Netanyahu's own words) of weakening the Palestinian Authority and preventing a Palestinian state: By strengthening Hamas in Gaza, Netanyahu's governments aimed to keep the Palestinian national movement divided and prevent the PA from advancing towards a two-state solution.

Hamas was the government of the region, would you prefer they be denied funding for critical public services?

Very easy answer. Yes. He should have let Hamas collapse.

 

[Siver!]

Yeah definitely don't pay attention to the Gaza situation and how long Israel has been collaterally killing women and children there and definitely they'll be able to do better in Iran and not kill women and children.

In and out. Lmao how gullible and naive you lot are.

I remember saying the amount of collateral in Gaza was far too high.

I said that in the very early days of the conflict, which Israel STILL hasn't succeeded in.

The Israel supporters laughed and said this was the absolute minimum possible, and there was no alternative whatsoever.

True Israel supporters will expect plenty of dead Iranian civilians and huge swathes of ruined cities. Could run into the hundreds of thousands in no time and still garner full support.

 

[avenue94]

No, I don't think it's ahistorical at all. They did provide the lion's share of military material support to most of those conflict. The only other major arms contributor would be Russia.

So we're saying that Iran's current regime, which took power in 1979, has a time machine and is responsible for:

-Palestinian conflict, which started in the 1930s and 1940s and really heated up in the 70s and 80s

-Iraq: Which the US invaded twice after we also armed both sides of the Iraq-Iran war, and directly led to the rise of ISIS

Syria: Where they backed the government versus various rebel groups we were backing (plus Turkey)

Libya/Egypt: Where we overthrew both governments and then in the latter supported a countercoup

Also in what fucking world does Iran sell more arms into the Israeli-Palestinian conflict than the US? Did you think F-35s were free?

 

[Streeter]

So I take it you're going to go enlist in the Military to help expedite this process and throw those punches?

Nope no plans too old. Im in my 50s cant RE enlist now. My son is in ROTC Army graduating after next year so I guess that counts maybe. Pretty sure he he love to go as a parent I dont want it but would support and be proud of him.

But pretty sure you didn't mean any of that- you were just trying to flex fake ass virtue signaling like is the calling card of left so nevermind what i said.

 

[Rational Poster]

No they only kept them afloat when they were on the verge of collapse (because the PA cut off their funding.)

For the stated purpose (Netanyahu's own words) of weakening the Palestinian Authority and preventing a Palestinian state: By strengthening Hamas in Gaza, Netanyahu's governments aimed to keep the Palestinian national movement divided and prevent the PA from advancing towards a two-state solution.

Why are you defending that action?

I'm not defending any action you're just writing fan fiction really.

Why are you defending Iran that armed them with lethal weapons and provided them training?

 

[Rational Poster]

So we're saying that Iran's current regime, which took power in 1979, has a time machine and is responsible for:

-Palestinian conflict, which started in the 1930s and 1940s and really heated up in the 70s and 80s

-Iraq: Which the US invaded twice after we also armed both sides of the Iraq-Iran war, and directly led to the rise of ISIS

Syria: Where they backed the government versus various rebel groups we were backing (plus Turkey)

Libya/Egypt: Where we overthrew both governments and then in the latter supported a countercoup

Also in what fucking world does Iran sell more arms into the Israeli-Palestinian conflict than the US? Did you think F-35s were free?

No you can take your strawmen elsewhere.

 

[Badr Hari]

True Israel supporters will expect plenty of dead Iranian civilians and huge swathes of ruined cities. Could run into the hundreds of thousands in no time and still garner full support.

And after 20 years complain again "religious ExTreMiSm" when the other side retaliates.

 

[ShadowRun]

A fully operating nuclear facility isnt going to be able to hide weapons manufacturing in 60 days. Most people forget to pay a bill or two in that amount of time, or cancel a free trial membership.

 

[Madmick]

Well, a change in the poll's question showed a serious shift, but it's still apparent Sherdog is deeply anti-Israeli comparative to the greater US population.

Because the WaPo has been running a poll with what would have been the original poll question, one for which Sherdog was at 13-148 (19%-81%) and the split between those for vs. those against is more favorable to Israel in the WaPo general poll (36%-64% if we eliminate the "unsure") than the modified, second question on Sherdog (32%-78% if we roll up the two pro-war options together):

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Nevertheless, it's clear that Americans broadly do not support American military offensive intervention against Iran. The margin is roughly 2 to 1 against. So if Trump goes to war, it will truly be "Trump's war", because it definitely won't be the American people's.

 

[Hog-train]

I'm not defending any action you're just writing fan fiction really.

How is that fan fiction? It has been widely reported in Israeli media - Times of Israel, Haaretz, Jerusalem Post, Israeli liberal and conservative media - for literally years. Israeli former prime ministers have vociferously criticized Netanyahu for the practice.

It's a widely known fact WTF LOL.

NY Times: How Israel Secretly Propped Up Hamas

Times of Israel: For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces

Why are you defending Iran that armed them with lethal weapons and provided them training?

Not defending that at all. Saying Netanyahu is also a complete scumbag.

Why are you defending Netanyahu's actions there? He should have let Hamas collapse because they're a terrorist organization. Pretty simple.

 

[Rational Poster]

How is that fan fiction? It has been widely reported in Israeli media - Times of Israel, Haaretz, Jerusalem Post, Israeli liberal and conservative media - for literally years. Israeli former prime ministers have vociferously criticized Netanyahu for the practice.

It's a widely known fact WTF LOL.

NY Times: How Israel Secretly Propped Up Hamas

Times of Israel: For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces



Not defending that at all. Saying Netanyahu is also a complete scumbag.

Why are you defending Netanyahu's actions there? He should have let Hamas collapse because they're a terrorist organization. Pretty simple.

Do you think that is worse than providing lethal aid to Hamas, Hezbollah, the PIJ, Houthis, Shia militias all across Iraq, Russia, etc?

Do you think just letting Hamas collapse would have done anything positive for Gaza?

 

[Badr Hari]

A White House spokesman told Fox that the US Air Force has no doubts about the effectiveness of "bunker bombs" to destroy the uranium enrichment plant in Iran's Fordow, but all options (including tactical nuclear weapons) are "not off the table" for use against Tehran's nuclear facilities.

damn it, iran might have now an argument on why they must build a nuclear weapon

 

[avenue94]

No you can take your strawmen elsewhere.

They did provide the lion's share of military material support to most of those conflict

Are you calling your own post a strawman...? You argued that Iran is providing the lion's share of military support these conflicts.

So let's tally up weapons, how much do you think Iran spent arming Hamas? Because the F-35s alone were $3 billion.

 

[Siver!]

Well, a change in the poll's question showed a serious shift, but it's still apparent Sherdog is deeply anti-Israeli comparative to the greater US population.

Because the WaPo has been running a poll with what would have been the original poll question, one for which Sherdog was at 13-148 (19%-81%) and the split between those for vs. those against is more favorable to Israel in the WaPo general poll (36%-64% if we eliminate the "unsure") than the modified, second question on Sherdog (32%-78% if we roll up the two pro-war options together):

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Nevertheless, it's clear that Americans broadly do not support American military offensive intervention against Iran. The margin is roughly 2 to 1 against. So if Trump goes to war, it will truly be "Trump's war", because it definitely won't be the American people's.

I think Barron should lead Trump's war should he decide he wants it.

He doesn't have bone spurs does he?

 

[Snubnoze707]

Nope no plans too old. Im in my 50s cant RE enlist now. My son is in ROTC Army graduating after next year so I guess that counts maybe. Pretty sure he he love to go as a parent I dont want it but would support and be proud of him.

But pretty sure you didn't mean any of that- you were just trying to flex fake ass virtue signaling like is the calling card of left so nevermind what i said.

Thank you for your service. I'm sure your son will have as successful results in the Iran war as pops did in Iraq/Afghanistan (presumably).

I'm not on the left, bud.