Israel Adesanya is the most overrated fighter ever.Whole resume EXPOSED!*Long read

[Topher]

This is typical mma fandom. All the crotchety old fans and boomers are feeling threatened now that heroes from the past are being challenged by the present.

Guys like Izzy and Usman are showing that they could be the next divisional GOAT. Some are rushing to claim they are now and some are trying to completely discredit. I personally feel like both are great and have a chance but have a bit of work left to surpass the two kings. They’re off to a hell of a start either way.

 

[mkt]

????? Lol how waa he gonna fight DC f9r the title? I'll wait for this amazing response.

You're nonsensical comment was "amazing" enough. Are you drunk or on too many meds? My point was that Israel is only fighting for the LHW title because he has a good opportunity--a much older, slower striker. If this happened 5 years ago, he'd have to fight prime Jones with Cormier as his first title defense if he somehow won (which he wouldn't). Israel is lucky as there are practically no elite wrestlers at LHW or MW.

 

[Deleted member 513083]

He should've been Glory champ after his Wilnis fight, and he got jobbed in his first fight against Pereira, who is neck and neck with Doumbe for being P4P best in the sport.

He didn't get robbed it was a close fight but it makes sense that Wilnis won, Izzy didn't do enough for him to win. Point scoring in K1 is not who is hitting the flashier moves, Wilnis was hitting that lowkick the whole fight. Which is why I said he would beat Wilnis in MMA but not in K1. Pereira in the first fight is nothing compared to now he would sleep Izzy in Kickboxing right now no questions asked.
I still get confused when people claim he won that Wilnis fight, he used mostly headmovement in that fight which is a bad idea when you fight a high guard, lowkicker inside the pocket fighter like both Wilnis brothers are, he got hit and legkicked to a decision thats what happened he didn't even knock down Wilnis.
I understand most guys do not get this but a legkick is scored like a punch and if you get legkicked for 5 rounds a flashy kick or punch does not get you in front on the scorecards.
Which is why most fighters in K1 use a highguard cause it blocks the punches if you rely on head movement you get hit more often= more points for your opponents.
I understand Izzy is more popular than Wilnis(not a fan either) but that fight was Wilnis 100% would of scored it a split tho.

 

[mkt]

That's the thing I dont think Jan is an ideal matchup. Izzy has the speed advantage that's it. I get why he thinks Jan is a target but i think its gonna backfire

We'll see but this is probably the best opportunity a MW champ has ever had to challenge the LHW champ. Nothing is guaranteed but you at least want to put the odds on your side. If there was a big wrestler at 205 then Israel would most likely get ragdolled. The only thing similar I can think of is Anderson challenging Chuck Liddell (who was also 38 and about to start a massive decline at the time). But Anderson had just won the MW title and had several people lined up as MW contenders. And several Pride fighters were coming over to LHW (Rampage, Hendo, Shogun, etc.). Anderson-Chuck wouldn't have made any sense at the time.

 

[Liamsparky12]

So you’ve read it twice and still have not came up with a valid counter argument?

Your argument is weak and irrational and your repeated use of the word "LOL" indicates to me that you are a child.

Israel has fought and beaten every bloke that the UFC has thrown at him. You cant discredit and mock his opponents using words like "LOL".
Each and every fighter Israel defeated posed a legit threat to him. From Costas natty KO power all the way to Rob Wilkinsons grappling ability.

One good point that you fail to see is that Israel fought 4 times in 2018, 3 times in 2019, and twice in 2020. From 2018 to 2020 he fought 9 times. How many top ranked fighters fight more than once in a year? Fuck all.

It seems your personal hatred for the bloke clouds your assessment of him as a fighter. Did he offend you or something? Did you lose a bet on him? Or are you salty that hes the next big thing for the UFC?

 

[dammage]

Jones destroys any version of Rampage. In fact, Rampage said he was in his best form ever before the Jones fight. Even if that's not true, Jones beats Pride Rampage, the Rampage who beat an old Chuck for the UFC belt, etc. The idea that there was some short-lived, near unbeatable version of Rampage is a myth.

whenever an aged fighter proclaim to be better than ever that usually translates to decline in performance.

 

[Po Atan]

He's a UFC champ, and should've been the Glory MW champ if he didn't get robbed by the judges against Jason Wilnis.

Seems pretty good in context.

Haha “robbed”. His legs got chopped to pieces and he hits Wilnis’ gloves all night. Wilnis won that fight no problem.

 

[Sure Dawg]

I mean the record itself on the surface is tremendous. And okay he’s still fighting trained fighters in these fights but the bottom line is, his kickboxing record is padded beyond belief when you dig deep.I don’t know what you know about kickboxing (not meant to be insulting) but the record isn’t what it seems and the kickboxing record makes up a large chunk of the 95-5

I do agree that even without digging, it would be foolish to think all 75 are world beaters, you may be right, i do agree with what doughie said, he is certainly very talented, but also very overhyped. Here's hoping to see his head bounce, gastelum had him and went for a takedown, broke my heart.

 

[CrocopHKtotheballs]

Silva was 38 when he fought Weidman in the first fight. How old do you have to be before we can use the muh too old card?

He was 35 years old when he was at the peak of his mw title reign, should we discredit those wins since it was 3 yeara before he was 'past his prime' or does it only matter when he loses? Retarded nuthugging logic and cope.

 

[Paolo Delutis]

After having my first thread wrongfully taken down. Here we are again.


Israel Adesanya is the most overrated fighter ever.Lol at you clowns saying he’s anywhere near the goat of anything.Here is his “great resume”:

Rob Wilkinson-LOL

Marvin Vettori- Scraped a split dec over Vettori-I’m a fair man, good win.

Brad Tavares-LOL

Dereck Brunson-Was coming of a brutal KO loss to Jacare when he fought Izzy.Not only that, Jacare KO’D Brunson faster than “goat ufc striker” Israel LOL!

Anderson Silva- Silva was 43 and still won a round.Don’t say he went easy on silva please or you’ll just make yourself look dumb. Izzy tried to KO him and couldn’t. Smh the man was 43!

Gastelum- blown up welterweight who Izzy went life and death with. Who has Gastelum actually beat that’s a good win? The dude whoops old men who are shadows of their former selves and that’s it. Also Jacare was robbed.

Whittaker-Rob came of a 16 month lay off and had previously had a hernia injury. He’s also damaged goods from the 2nd Romero fight.Talk about getting someone at the right time. Now robs been active and as healthy as he can be considering the 2nd Romero fight, izzy wants nothing to do with him.

Romero- 1-3 in last four fights and also 42 years old. He took lots of damage against Costa and Rob.Izzy then wins an extremely close dec over Yoel which easily could have gone the other way. He barely beat a 42 year old wrestler when the whole fight was on the feet. The dude got perplexed by a man standing still. Wtf?

Costa-Here he faced an animal who was in his prime and on a role. What a nice change. However he had major GYNO in this fight therefore there is a huge asterisk around this “win”. We still don’t know what it was. The man literally grew a breast.

To conclude, Izzy has 1 good win and its vettori. Even that win was a split dec which could have gone either way but you dopes wanna say he’s the goat striker or goat middleweight.

Ur an idiot....although IZZYS NOT THE GOAT till he passes andersons number of defenses

 

[TerrorTimmy]

Experienced yes, definitely not talented. His resume is a joke

The only joke here is you

 

[Topher]

He was 35 years old when he was at the peak of his mw title reign, should we discredit those wins since it was 3 yeara before he was 'past his prime' or does it only matter when he loses? Retarded nuthugging logic and cope.

He went 16-0, 7 years without a loss, had 14 finishes, 11 successful title defense, beat 3 LHW’s including the last champion.

I think a rational thinking human would give him credit for doing what few have done in his sport. They would also recognize 38 isn’t young especially for a guy who relies on speed / timing and the fact that he lasted that long at the top is another rarity.

No excuses need to be made for him. He had a great run and it ended far from prematurely. I bet any fighter would love to make it to 38 at the top like that, not an easy thing to do. He’s done what 99.8% of fighters will never do and he’s being criticized lol.

 

[DelanoRunnymede]

After having my first thread wrongfully taken down. Here we are again.


Israel Adesanya is the most overrated fighter ever.Lol at you clowns saying he’s anywhere near the goat of anything.Here is his “great resume”:

Rob Wilkinson-LOL

Marvin Vettori- Scraped a split dec over Vettori-I’m a fair man, good win.

Brad Tavares-LOL

Dereck Brunson-Was coming of a brutal KO loss to Jacare when he fought Izzy.Not only that, Jacare KO’D Brunson faster than “goat ufc striker” Israel LOL!

Anderson Silva- Silva was 43 and still won a round.Don’t say he went easy on silva please or you’ll just make yourself look dumb. Izzy tried to KO him and couldn’t. Smh the man was 43!

Gastelum- blown up welterweight who Izzy went life and death with. Who has Gastelum actually beat that’s a good win? The dude whoops old men who are shadows of their former selves and that’s it. Also Jacare was robbed.

Whittaker-Rob came of a 16 month lay off and had previously had a hernia injury. He’s also damaged goods from the 2nd Romero fight.Talk about getting someone at the right time. Now robs been active and as healthy as he can be considering the 2nd Romero fight, izzy wants nothing to do with him.

Romero- 1-3 in last four fights and also 42 years old. He took lots of damage against Costa and Rob.Izzy then wins an extremely close dec over Yoel which easily could have gone the other way. He barely beat a 42 year old wrestler when the whole fight was on the feet. The dude got perplexed by a man standing still. Wtf?

Costa-Here he faced an animal who was in his prime and on a role. What a nice change. However he had major GYNO in this fight therefore there is a huge asterisk around this “win”. We still don’t know what it was. The man literally grew a breast.

To conclude, Izzy has 1 good win and its vettori. Even that win was a split dec which could have gone either way but you dopes wanna say he’s the goat striker or goat middleweight.

Vettori, Gastelum, Yoel are great wins. Whittaker and Costa by KO are phenomenal wins. You could look at the 100+ fights outside the UFC he's had as well. Yellow card threads never disappoint.

 

[Po Atan]

Ur an idiot....although IZZYS NOT THE GOAT till he passes andersons number of defenses

Another person who is attacking me and not the points made. This is getting boring

 

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[The Fat Mexican]

Wow!!! Coming from you, that says a lot. You know you're going over board if this guy has to check you about Izzy lol.

Yeah... sometimes you have to put some extra sauce to keep things alive and interesting on a discussion board (that's something moderators don't always get imo and they're taking all this shit way too seriously)
There's the Sherdog "character" and there's the MMA fan. Talking shit about fighters on Sherdog is fun and it leads to discussions (and hilarious overreactions sometimes), but at the end of the day, I still admire any man willing to step in a ring or an octagon to fight and entertain us, including fighters I'm not a fan of (like Izzy and his flabby tit)

 

[Paolo Delutis]

Another person who is attacking me and not the points made. This is getting boring

His resume is solid...even if u take silva off...

He beat romero and costa...and Whitaker ...

Name another whos done it

 

[Tapatio]

I think Jan beats the milk out of him. Oh yeah, and he's never offered a legit explanation for the obvious

 

[Franklin U.]

After having my first thread wrongfully taken down. Here we are again.


Israel Adesanya is the most overrated fighter ever.Lol at you clowns saying he’s anywhere near the goat of anything.Here is his “great resume”:

Rob Wilkinson-LOL

Marvin Vettori- Scraped a split dec over Vettori-I’m a fair man, good win.

Brad Tavares-LOL

Dereck Brunson-Was coming of a brutal KO loss to Jacare when he fought Izzy.Not only that, Jacare KO’D Brunson faster than “goat ufc striker” Israel LOL!

Anderson Silva- Silva was 43 and still won a round.Don’t say he went easy on silva please or you’ll just make yourself look dumb. Izzy tried to KO him and couldn’t. Smh the man was 43!

Gastelum- blown up welterweight who Izzy went life and death with. Who has Gastelum actually beat that’s a good win? The dude whoops old men who are shadows of their former selves and that’s it. Also Jacare was robbed.

Whittaker-Rob came of a 16 month lay off and had previously had a hernia injury. He’s also damaged goods from the 2nd Romero fight.Talk about getting someone at the right time. Now robs been active and as healthy as he can be considering the 2nd Romero fight, izzy wants nothing to do with him.

Romero- 1-3 in last four fights and also 42 years old. He took lots of damage against Costa and Rob.Izzy then wins an extremely close dec over Yoel which easily could have gone the other way. He barely beat a 42 year old wrestler when the whole fight was on the feet. The dude got perplexed by a man standing still. Wtf?

Costa-Here he faced an animal who was in his prime and on a role. What a nice change. However he had major GYNO in this fight therefore there is a huge asterisk around this “win”. We still don’t know what it was. The man literally grew a breast.

To conclude, Izzy has 1 good win and its vettori. Even that win was a split dec which could have gone either way but you dopes wanna say he’s the goat striker or goat middleweight.

First - very important- I'm no fan of Adesanya. That said , HE WON all those fights regardless of your feeling on the how. Hed also be SIGNIFICANT FAVORITES in possible re matches with these fighters - hence - the man has evolved with each fight. He might be the only legit elite middle in today's UFC. That said, I'll be fair and say hes been yet tested on ground ( as far as today is concerned) and who knows. The 185 division is shit but that's not Adesanya s fault. Hes fighting who they put in front of him and winning. I want to see how Whitaker looks agsinst Costa- I've yet been able to guage Whitaker as a middle.

To call him the most overrated " ever " is just silly.

 

[Po Atan]

You can argue that Costa fight should be a DQ due to disgusting post-fight antics

100% it was ridiculous. The guy has zero class