Israel Adesanya is the most overrated fighter ever.Whole resume EXPOSED!*Long read

[ReyesWon]

He beats who he fights.

And there's been some great ones.

He did NOT win the Romero fight. It was a draw at best. And an L for his brand.

He's ridiculously good, though.

But OP is probably an Izzy fan and he's using reverse psychology to get us to hype Izzy.

 

[GoshiShun17]

I'm an Adesanya hater. I think he sounds like a manchild when he talks and I think he's a cheater (flabby tit, shitty excuses), but I also think he's an awesome and entertaining fighter we're all lucky to have in the UFC, as MMA fans.

Most overrated fighter? Give me a fucking break. He has a perfect resume, and he often wins by destruction. You gotta give credit where it's due, even if you don't like him.

The only real question mark at the moment: Can he grapple and wrestle for shit.

Wow!!! Coming from you, that says a lot. You know you're going over board if this guy has to check you about Izzy lol.

 

[Dionysian]

While I think you're going too far (as almost everyone does here to credit or discredit fighters), I do think's Israel is a bit overhyped. This is especially true of people saying he's already done as much as Anderson Silva, who

• Destroyed prime Rich Franklin...twice
• Finished prime Hendo in 2 rounds. This is the same Hendo who had recently given Rampage all he could handle for 5 rounds in a LHW title fight...and the same Hendo who KO'd Fedor a year or two later
• Finished Belfort in one round. While there are arguments about whether this was "prime TRT" Belfort, it was a good version of Belfort--the same Vitor who easily finished Franklin, Lindland and others. This wasn't the completely washed-up, deflated, 40+ year old Belfort (with no TRT) who got smashed by Weidman, Mousasi, Jacare and Machida.

Actually 3.5 years separated the Anderson and Fedor fights for Hendo. Both of those were "prime Hendo" though but yeah. 2007-2011 = prime Hendo IMO.

Belfort was clearly not TRT Belfort vs Anderson though. That 2013 beast was short-lived but was noticeably different from the guy that faced Anderson in early 2011, both physically and technically. Still a sweet Anderson win though.

 

[Lemmy Caution]

Facts are facts my friend. No matter what way you cut it, he did have gyno it was visible for all to see.

A: Alcohol, Amphetamines, Marijuana, Heroin, Methadone (Methadose, Dolophine)
Q: Things that turn you into a woman (gynecomastia)?

 

[revoltub]

Yeah when you actually go through his resume he's not this killer everyone is making him out to be.

Which is why im surprised everyone is so confident in a run at LHW. He hasn't shown much power outside of Costa and Whitaker fights, both which were tkos. With Whitaker being much smaller and costa being shorter armed and im convinced not 100%. Against a bigger guy like Jan with comparable reach, and better power, and a better chin, I really don't know what everyone is smoking here. The hype doesn't match the reality.

 

[mkt]

jones beat everybody in their primes except maybe rampage

Jones destroys any version of Rampage. In fact, Rampage said he was in his best form ever before the Jones fight. Even if that's not true, Jones beats Pride Rampage, the Rampage who beat an old Chuck for the UFC belt, etc. The idea that there was some short-lived, near unbeatable version of Rampage is a myth.

 

[ScarecrowNZ]

jones beat everybody in their primes except maybe rampage

Your saying Bonnar, Vera, Matyushenko, Shogun, Evans, Vitor and Chael were all in their primes?

 

[mkt]

Yeah when you actually go through his resume he's not this killer everyone is making him out to be.

Which is why im surprised everyone is so confident in a run at LHW. He hasn't shown much power outside of Costa and Whitaker fights, both which were tkos. With Whitaker being much smaller and costa being shorter armed and im convinced not 100%. Against a bigger guy like Jan with comparable reach, and better power, and a better chin, I really don't know what everyone is smoking here. The hype doesn't match the reality.

Well, Jan is almost 38 and is slower and less technical. It's a good opportunity...kind of like GSP moving up to fight Bisping. I seriously doubt Israel would've moved up back when Jones was in his prime and Cormier was the 2nd best LHW. Those were both terrible match-ups for him. I think Anderson (who fought Forrest, a Top 5 LHW at the time) would've done the same...except he never had an ideal match-up like Jan as the LHW champ.

 

[GOATtalks]

Israel is a damn good fighter but he is not Anderson Silva and he definitely hasn’t been tested by a top notch wressler like Lindland, Randy, Hughes, Gsp, Shael or DC. Shit would have gone horrible for the guy. In fact, I consider him extremely lucky that he never had to face guys like that to get to the top. Again, not saying that he isn’t good... his striking is phenomenal but his tdd hasn’t been tested by the best and his ground game remains a huge question mark.

Derek Brunson is a legit wrestler. He outwrestled Yoel and would’ve won if he wouldn’t be KOed late in the 3rd. Gastelum is a good wrestler as well and BJJ black belt. Couldn’t do much to Izzy. Izzy’s TDD is way better than Anderson’s that’s for sure. Don’t know if he has his submissions though

 

[Emjay]

If you take enough time you can discredit just about most of every fighter's resume.

You didn't do anything special here TS

 

[Topher]

anderson was being spoon fed randy couture clones and slow, clumsy strikers like cote and forest, it wasnt until he started fighting the well rounded fighters of today he became exposed and muh too old nuthuggers came rolling in.

I see people abuse the “too old and past prime” excuse often liberally and ridiculously. But Silva was 38 years old when he started losing. A year older than Ali. Like who are these dominate champions with resumes like Silva that kept a title and nutty steak alive at that age? I’m not talking about fighters winning and losing titles later in their career. I mean dominate champs lasting that long pushing 40.

 

[Pound for Pound]

Israel is a damn good fighter but he is not Anderson Silva and he definitely hasn’t been tested by a top notch wressler like Lindland, Randy, Hughes, Gsp, Shael or DC. Shit would have gone horrible for the guy. In fact, I consider him extremely lucky that he never had to face guys like that to get to the top. Again, not saying that he isn’t good... his striking is phenomenal but his tdd hasn’t been tested by the best and his ground game remains a huge question mark.

totally agree: he's not anderson. israel is daaaamn good, but him not fighting a really good wrestler is more the fact that middle weight div lacks the wrestler pedigree that was in anderson's era. also, the game is evolving from the likes of 1 or 2 dimensional guys like chael, hughes, randy, lindland. that being said i think adesanya smokes said fighters in their primes. DC on the otherhand smashes issy. prime GSP vs Adesanya oh holy shit

 

[alex21cms]

Your saying Bonnar, Vera, Matyushenko, Shogun, Evans, Vitor and Chael were all in their primes?

yeah all of them except Matyushenko

 

[mkt]

Your saying Bonnar, Vera, Matyushenko, Shogun, Evans, Vitor and Chael were all in their primes?

Rashad absolutely was. He trained with Spong for that fight and it was the best his striking ever looked--definitely better than the Machida fight (which I hate to admit as a Lyoto fan). Vera was about the same as he always was. He was a bit more aggressive before his layoff/contract dispute, but he never fought anyone like Jones in his earliest days. He wasn't old at that time, either. Vitor was on TRT but it didn't help him. Shogun--who knows. He was at his best technically (better than Pride) in his fights with Machida. But everyone here give him an "ACL pass" for every one of his losses or bad performances. They don't do that with GSP, Cruz or anyone else with ACL injuries....a clear Sherdog bias.

 

[kingofthecans]

Thread should of been closed after the first reply.

 

[Lights Out 101]

agree with ts. hope jan will put his lights out.

If you agree with TS then you should feel pretty damn confident that Jan will put him to sleep, unless you think Jan is a bum too.

 

[mkt]

I see people abuse the “too old and past prime” excuse often liberally and ridiculously. But Silva was 38 years old when he started losing. A year older than Ali. Like who are these dominate champions with resumes like Silva that kept a title and nutty steak alive at that age? I’m not talking about fighters winning and losing titles later in their career. I mean dominate champs lasting that long pushing 40.

Yes, especially when the same people who say Cro-Cop, Big Nog and Fedor were past their primes by age 32-33 (to excuse their losses) insist that Anderson was still in his prime at 38.

 

[revoltub]

Well, Jan is almost 38 and is slower and less technical. It's a good opportunity...kind of like GSP moving up to fight Bisping. I seriously doubt Israel would've moved up back when Jones was in his prime and Cormier was the 2nd best LHW. Those were both terrible match-ups for him. I think Anderson (who fought Forrest, a Top 5 LHW at the time) would've done the same...except he never had an ideal match-up like Jan as the LHW champ.

That's the thing I dont think Jan is an ideal matchup. Izzy has the speed advantage that's it. I get why he thinks Jan is a target but i think its gonna backfire

 

[Deleted member 513083]

I wouldn't say his MMA record is overrated it is amazing in my book, even though Izzy is fucking annoying at times and too over the top for me gotta respect it.
His kickboxing record on the other hand is definitely OVERRATED, people love to claim he has some insane resumee, it is impressive dont get me wrong he has a shitton of fights and in different weight classes as well but if you really look at who he has been fighting it is a lot of no names or journeyman from the oceania circuit. It is common in kickboxing to see guys have like 50 sth wins and only like 3 names on their resumee people even know of, while his tournament wins were spectacular at times, he was fighting badly outmatched opposition, for example the only thing on the internet I found about one of his opponents was some EDM Music video and a soundcloud page.
That being said once he fight Jan and depending on the result it will show whether he is all that he claims or if people jumped on the train too soon. I think his style is better for MMA than Kickboxing as well, He would of won the Wilnis fight with MMA rules and gloves but in Kickboxing Wilnis wins most of the time I think just because of the high guard with big gloves and less space to move around.

 

[BHR]

we shall soon find out when he faces jan.

i think his wrestling and ground game is suspect i dont like the guy either the accent, anime and dancing doesnt help either