Islam wins by round scoring, Volk wins by dominance

[Killer Kadoogan]

Yup it's very clear who the better fighter is after that fight. Volk ended the fight in dominant fashion ready to go another 5 rounds while Islam ended the fight on life support, and that's with Volk being at a size disadvantage too.

10000%

 

[Viper2]

Are you Indian?

Indians living in Sherdoggers minds rent-free.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

The fight had a rule set and scoring criteria agreed upon beforehand.

Islam wins by that criteria.


You can discuss hypothetically if it was scored by PrideFC scoring or the weird ass Rings criteria if that would have possibly yielded a different outcome but it was quite clear under united rules.

Yeah. If it was agreed to be Pride scoring, then we can't say they'd have fought the same. No different than when people go, "Well if that 3 round fight was 5.." then it would have been a completely different contest which would have been competed and scored that way

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

Islam didn't even win round by round scoring. Clear win for Volk no matter how you look at it.

Your doctor still on vacation, huh?

 

[HHJ]

If Islam wins by points how can Volk be dominant?

 

[oldschoolmmafan]

This is one of the times where round by round scoring sucks. Under pride rules, Volk gets his hand raised. Either way, there no way Islam leaves that fight after being on his back in the 5th and looking like he had nothing left in him and feels ok about the outcome. If I won a decision like that I’d take it, but I’d want to run it back immediately because there’s no way I’d feel good about that win.

This is silly. Islam would have fought a different fight based on different scoring criteria. This was Volk's chance, he had all the benefits with this one. The rematch will far better suit Islam.

 

[Willie]

Volk only dominated the last 2 minutes of the 5th round.

 

[melans]

Islam was winning most of that fight, it was a 'close' competitive fight, but it is really weird how people have manufactured a controversy, Islam clearly won. It was close, but it wasn't THAT close.

I think Colby has a better case for beating Usman, or Gilbert for beating Khamzat, than Alex does for beating Islam.

I agree.
I had it 3-2 for Islam.
I can understand that the scoring isn't the greatest, and I don't think that taking someone down and "controlling" them while getting punched in the face and lying thereshould be rewarded, but as far as the sport is concerned, Islam won.
Looking forward to the rematch.

 

[melans]

This is silly. Islam would have fought a different fight based on different scoring criteria. This was Volk's chance, he had all the benefits with this one. The rematch will far better suit Islam.

I don't think Islam would fight any different with different scoring criteria. He would always have the same style.
I don't think the rematch far better suits him, this was the first time I've watched him in the UFC and seem him look like he had given up, like he did in the 5th.

 

[oldschoolmmafan]

I don't think Islam would fight any different with different scoring criteria. He would always have the same style.
I don't think the rematch far better suits him, this was the first time I've watched him in the UFC and seem him look like he had given up, like he did in the 5th.

Of course he would, every fighter would have to make adjustments going back to a Pride based system just like Pride fighters had to adjust coming to the UFC. Islam had a lot of things going on in the background leading up to this fight and the rematch will likely be in Abu Dhabi.

 

[King Joffery]

Yeah. The part you're talking about lasted a minute. How does that give him the win?

Because it was how the fight ended therefore the most relevant.
Had there been no time limit and it been a fight to the death we'd be listening Khabib's eulogy about him round about now.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

Because it was how the fight ended therefore the most relevant.
Had there been no time limit and it been a fight to the death we'd be listening Khabib's eulogy about him round about now.

So rounds don't mean anything to you? Just conveniently forgot that the "time limit" thing happened multiple times before the end of the fight?

 

[Goutfather]

idk what you mean by “dominance” scoring, because it is scored by the round.

however, under that criteria, i believe volk won 3 rounds to 2. simply put, his offense was more effective, the exchanges he won, he did so more impressively, and to greater effect on his opponent. this whole argument that islam “controlled” volk for more minutes doesn’t resonate, because fights are not scored by the minute. anyway, that’s just my opinion. i know islam fans are fuming the the fact that so many people thought volk won, but hey islam was given the w.

 

[melans]

If Islam wins by points how can Volk be dominant?

By being the closest to finishing the fight, looking like if it went much longer it would have been finished.

 

[Raptors2019]

Are you Indian?

Are you racist ?

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

By being the closest to finishing the fight, looking like if it went much longer it would have been finished.

Really doesn't seem to fit "dominance" as a descriptor

 

[Chagaev]

LOL at "Pride rules".

Pride rules would've given Islam 5 more minutes on Volk's back while fresh. And one more 5 minutes round, or two depending on the Grand Prix.

There would be no fifth under Pride rules. Unless you pick from those rules whatever suits your narrative.

 

[Anewt]

Don't get me wrong, I believe Islam was the better fighter overall in the fight.
I'm trying to see it from the Aussies POV (the last 1 minute showed Volk's dominance was greater than Islam's dominance at any single point in the fight)

As a Aussie I'm fine with the decision. Close fight could have went either way.

Hopefully he gets a chance to run it back. But Islam's aura of being untouchable at lightweight is gone imo. Think Dariush will beat him honestly. I hope not tho because I'd like volk and Islam to shore up their divisions with two defences then run it back.

But honestly seems unlikely both will hold their belt.

 

[HHJ]

LOL at "Pride rules".

Pride rules would've given Islam 5 more minutes on Volk's back while fresh. And one more 5 minutes round, or two depending on the Grand Prix.

There would be no fifth under Pride rules. Unless you pick from those rules whatever suits your narrative.

While it's fun for jokes to talk about Pride rules this and that,etc...

The fighters know what the rules are,and prepared for those rules. Its silly. Might as well say "well under Pancrase rules yadda yadda"

 

[Bumhead]

Islam won the contest but Volk won the fight. That’s the way I see it and nobody could convince me that I’m wrong.

Each round is scored independently, I got it 3-2 for Islam, who started strong and showcased a much improved striking. Volk put on more damage, had Islam hurt and tired on his back at the end of the fight .

I was amazed by Islam’s striking and Volk’s tdd/grappling. Both gave it all.

Good points
But what actually is the difference between a contest and a fight