Islam has surpassed Jones

[Pequeño Corey]

Wins against top 5 fighters.

You say it's hard to stay atop the mountain and beat number 1 contenders but Islam literally has never beaten a number one contender as champion

That’s Ok, but it seems a bit specific. Sometimes, guys just can’t get those fights booked, so they fight down the rankings or take a fight against another champ moving up. I’m ok with expanding it to top 10 wins though. This is where champ champ fights muck things up.

To your second point, I agree. This is why I don’t rank Muslim as high as others. He doesn’t have many top 5 wins at LW as champ. Took two fights with FW Volk, Arman pulled out (not Islam’s fault) and took Moicano instead (#10 I believe?) It’s a fine win, but you can’t hang your hat on that and beat your cheat like you cleaned house.

 

[Stagliano]

Jones nuthuggers can and wiill absolutely include him. I suspect they're mostly insecure micro-pps that would also feel that they have to cheat to win.

Khamzat, Whittaker, Khabib and a lot fighters include Jones in the GOAT's list and they aren't dickriders.

 

[Robbocop]

Surpassed Jones at what?

 

[Rio Ferdinand]

Makhachev when Jon Jones stands up from his seat in front.

 

[Streeter]

Jones fought an beat legends - Mak fought 3 legends Charles - Great win , Volk - a FW and took him to the wall in a cloae fight fight 2 Volk was off the couch n had no business being there, Dustin when Dustin was washed and struggled .

Jones cleaned out the mma glamor division then beat all up an comers during 15 years .

Yeah .ak is not remotely in Jones area code let alone ball park.

 

[Genki Sudo]

Jones is a drug cheat.....his record isnt worth diddly! ONCE a failed test you can give him the benefit of the doubt but multiple failed tests?

 

[Xoleth]

Well, it’s the only objective metric that we have to rack and stack our champions.

It’s also the hardest thing to do in this sport. Keep spot atop the mountain and keep beating #1 contenders over an extended period of time.

What would you prefer? Highly debatable and subjective things like quality of competition, dominance, or “never been scratch never bleed”?

Title defenses are also highly debatable.
Some guys got (get) a TS after 2-3 wins in UFC, some after 10 wins.
Some guys have very close fights or robberies.

The quality of competition matters a lot, I would say.

"beating #1 contenders" - you are joking, right?
OSP & Chael?
Dan Hardy?
Patrick Cote & Thales?
Masvidal twice & Colby twice?

yeah, #1 contenders

 

[Mr.Maelstrom]

Islam has surpassed Khabib, he's not even closing in on Aldo or DJ let alone the Anderson Jon GSP tier.

Oh and didn't Islam pop for meldonium at one point?

Guess he's out of the discussion lol

 

[Qays Stetkevich]

Khamzat, Whittaker, Khabib and a lot fighters include Jones in the GOAT's list and they aren't dickriders.

I didn't say that non-nuthuggers can't or don't support him, just that lots do. Anyone is allowed to think that cheating and doping is fine, but that doesn't mean that it is or that others have to agree. Khabib has caveman takes on many subjects.

 

[Qays Stetkevich]

Solid "I'm like rubber," ballgazer

 

[Qays Stetkevich]

Islam has surpassed Khabib, he's not even closing in on Aldo or DJ let alone the Anderson Jon GSP tier.

Oh and didn't Islam pop for meldonium at one point?
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Guess he's out of the discussion lol

Not if you have reading comprehension. Comparing that decade-old exonerated borderline not-really-a-slip to Jones' rap sheet is pretty disingenuous.

 

[Mr.Maelstrom]

Not if you have reading comprehension. Comparing that decade-old exonerated borderline not-really-a-slip to Jones' rap sheet is pretty disingenuous.

Gas station dick pills, salt in an Olympic pool, accidentally popping for meldonium...

I'm just saying, lol let's not get precious about positive tests or who they disqualify. That's something only us nerds really pay attention to

 

[Angelassassin53]

Islam calling out Usman is a bad look but yeah. I entirely disqualify Jones from the GOAT discussion on account of his 4 failed drug tests personally. Him and Andy are official out of the running

Fedor, GSP, DJ, and Aldo are imo the 4 most skilled fighters we've ever witnessed step into the cage and tbh Islam is probably the first in line as honorable mention

 

[Just Creed]

Jones 12 title defences> Islam 4 title defences

Islam is no doubt the greatest 155 champion so far but if he goes the same way as Khabib (like I think many dagi champs will do) and retire early, then they don't really belong in the goat conversations.

 

[Just Creed]

Makhachev when Jon Jones stands up from his seat in front.

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Lol that gave me a good chuckle