Islam had a horrible weight cut

[Iroh]

You should go actually watch the footage for the first time yourself and note how far away both officials were from the scale on Islam's weigh in never touching it and it clearly went from the bottom and stopped at center line absolutely no oscillation at all above center line much less get anywhere close to the limiter. There was no movement or touching of the scale at all. If you want criticism and question if the scale ever stopped go actually watch the footage yourself and see how close both officials were to the scale for Volk's weigh in and notice how he was hands on touching the scale the whole time before calling it. Not saying there was anything shady about Volks weight in either but they were certainly ready to fix it if there was while Islam's was as visibly clean as you can ever possibly get.

You should actually read what I'm saying. Neither I, nor the people I heard talking about it, said anything about the officials touching the scale. So why do you keep mentioning it?

Also, I posted the vid time stamped... you seriously think I didn't watch it?

And what I said is that it barely stopped before the official moves the frame away and calls it. Meaning it did stop, but just barely. Which made it seem that it hadn't stopped if you didn't pay enough attention, which is where the suspicion came from, IMO.

So are you just going to keep repeating yourself again, or will you actually read and process what I'm saying?

 

[Jackonfire]

I don't fucking get these people that imply its a anti muslim or anti Dagestani stance to question commissions, commissions handle a lot of things that are incredibly valuable, I mean Lorenzo and Frank Fertitta bought the UFC because they were on the athletic commission board and could pull strings to make it advantageous for them. Boxing commissions have been corrupted in the past with judging and other things quite obviously. I still remember the issue with GSP weighing in according to Nick and that they rounded down his weight instead of forcing GSP to cut more which I do not believe is common practice for title fights. Obviously it isn't some Islamic conspiracy, it's UFC wanting their money, Australia to whatever capacity wanting their money, giant networks that are tied into this...I'm not saying its likely but it's certainly possible some shit was stirred. Beyond that, what happened in Abu Dhabi was really fishy with Khamzat too and theres literal video evidence.

Not just according to Nick. GSP confirmed:

Georges St. Pierre, technically by his own admission, did not make weight for his UFC 158 title fight against Nick Diaz

 

[UFConFOX]

I do apologize if the tone of my message hurt your feelings, I don't speak snowflake very well and was really trying to be funny. But to reiterate my point even accepting your made up numbers as truth why bother with weight classes and cutting at all then it if doesn't even make a huge difference against someone from a lower weight class. Islam has got to be a complete idiot pushing himself to the brink of death for no real difference at all against bigger lightweight opponents.

Nice try with the holier than thou, guilt play but yes you are an idiot. Islam's weight advantage clearly gives him a huge advantage dominating Charles Olivera to become LW champion, it will be an unsurmountable difference against a midget FW, at his height there is no amount of weight he can put on to make him effective at higher weight classes, more weight makes him less effective.

Free money is hard to come by. Excited to see your bet slip on this guarantee that life's handed you.

Spend it wisely brother, once we have it we think it will last but ALLAHAMDULILLAH it comes and goes as he wills.

In any case, Slip or GTFO. And naw, this ain't snowflake.

 

[Rektkid]

Hard to tell.

Yep but from what I can see Volk looks considerably thicker to me just like he did when they shook hands on the fight in Dubai.

 

[Cartiac]

Free money is hard to come by. Excited to see your bet slip on this guarantee that life's handed you.

Spend it wisely brother, once we have it we think it will last but ALLAHAMDULILLAH it comes and goes as he wills.

In any case, Slip or GTFO. And naw, this ain't snowflake.

WTF are you going on about? Where is your slip? You clearly know nothing about betting as it has nothing to do with picking winners and losers.

 

[piropiro]

I do apologize if the tone of my message hurt your feelings, I don't speak snowflake very well and was really trying to be funny. But to reiterate my point even accepting your made up numbers as truth why bother with weight classes and cutting at all then it if doesn't even make a huge difference against someone from a lower weight class. Islam has got to be a complete idiot pushing himself to the brink of death for no real difference at all against bigger lightweight opponents.

Nice try with the holier than thou, guilt play but yes you are an idiot. Islam's weight advantage clearly gives him a huge advantage dominating Charles Olivera to become LW champion, it will be an unsurmountable difference against a midget FW, at his height there is no amount of weight he can put on to make him effective at higher weight classes, more weight makes him less effective.

So you apologize by making several additional insults? <45>

For your information, you might learn it as you grow up, the biggest “snoflakes” and generally most insecure men are usually the ones who are immediately and needlessly rude or aggressive, especially behind a keyboard.

Confident people express their opinions without the compulsion to be rude to others. I’ve rarely met strong successful people who were rude … whilst plenty of “losers” are.

Not saying you are either, just a general reflection.

Don’t get irritated, it’s not good for your health: in my opinion Volk will be around 170 and Islam 180, as I wrote earlier. Just an opinion.

 

[west42]

Any source, or is this thread the source?

 

[Paironj56]

Everyone these days has a horrible cut unless they're moving up. Islam will be 190lbs tomorrow. Volk will be 160lbs.

No chance he would be 190lbs if Pereira, a MW who walks around to 235 lbs was only 210 lbs in cage. So pereira only gains 25 lbs while Islam 35 lbs. Yeah no.

 

[fortheo]

Any source, or is this thread the source?

Only source I've seen suggesting a bad weight cut from islam. He talks about it 20 seconds in.

 

[acannxr]

I have a source on Islam's weight from 2019:

(2019) Islam Makhachev: 175.3 lbs

Of course it could've fluctuated since then.

 

[Conan the K-9]

I think the criticism was based on how it had barely stopped going up before calling it, looking at the footage. But it definitely slowed down considerably, so there's probably not a real issue. They could have waited a second more, so it would have been a bit more clear, but not a big deal, IMO.

I don’t understand why they can’t make the weight ins properly? So that there is no need to speculate if the scale is still moving or not and if someone made weight or not?
Like this they only provocate the weight miss discussion.

 

[NoSmilez]

The promotion will always have their favorites. They get a little advantage. It’s scale fuckery but we will all bitch if they stop the fight due to half a lb.

They should stop it with the old scales. A high quality digital one will stop this type of fuckery and guess work. You also remove the human element from it.

 

[fortheo]

I have a source on Islam's weight from 2019:

Of course it could've fluctuated since then.

In that video, he specifically says he didnt rehydrate well. It's safe to assume that when his rehydration goes normally, he's a little heavier. We really don't know, though.

 

[UFConFOX]

WTF are you going on about? Where is your slip? You clearly know nothing about betting as it has nothing to do with picking winners and losers.

HAHAH figured. All this ahit about it's a lock and no chance.

I didn't say that shit, YOU did. wtf would I show a slip for? It's not me writing stupid shit - that's u.

 

[Iroh]

Wow, talk about repeating yourself. That is weird, in the video I saw the officials verifying the weight did not have cameras or anything to do with moving the frame away, they were two of them doing their job paying attention to the scale and agreeing. Even you state it did stop on weight but it seemed like it didn't because you weren't paying enough attention,

then lay off the f'n bong and pay attention numbnuts or smoke more and put it in slow mo and rewatch a 1000 times and record your results, WTF?

I clearly do need to repeat myself many more times as even though you saw the scale stop, but just barely, you have suspicion it may have seemed to not stop because you weren't paying enough attention.

No, buddeh. Your're clearly angry and not seeing things clearly. I wasn't saying I wasn't paying attention, because like you concurred I did acknowledge it stopped. I am not the problem here. Your reading comprehension is. I was referring to the people, I heard talk about it on a podcast, must not have been paying close enough attention to have arrived at the suspicion that there might have been foolery at play. That and obviously being influenced by the rumors about Islam's tough weighcut

Calm down, buddeh. It's just a weight cut, nothing to get so angry about.

 

[Cartiac]

HAHAH figured. All this ahit about it's a lock and no chance.

I didn't say that shit, YOU did. wtf would I show a slip for? It's not me writing stupid shit - that's u.

Yes, asking for betting slips when I mentioned nothing about line movement is stupid shit

 

[TempleoftheDog]

This suggests that Volk will put on 20lbs post weight cut after moving up to a weight class that's 10lbs heavier. I dunno but it doesn't add up.

Alex said in October after being the back up he was going go bulk up a bit. He had 3 1/2 months to do it.

I didn’t see this exact quote about 78KG. But I can add. It’s 16.6 lbs not 20lbs. And I figure he knows a lot better than you what he will weigh when he walks into the octagon. And what would the point be in him lying?

 

[TITS]

Volk is going to get taken down, smothered and strangled within 2 rounds.

 

[Mickf]

I thought Islam actually looked really good for his weigh in. He did not need any help walking up, was not stumbling, did not have someone waiting with a water bottle as soon as he stepped off and even showed energy to pose and show some enthusiasm. By Dagestani standards that looked like an easy cut.

These guys aren't there for a beauty pageant, this is part of normal life for them. That is makes them so scary. The pain they do to themselves before the fight is worse than anything their opponent can do to them.

I would also say now that he is training for 5 round fights. He might be a little bit lighter starting his weights cut due to longer cardio sessions in training.

 

[Lawrence]

Height wise aside is there actually a massive size discrepancy? Volk is thick af but always seems size is exclusively used for Khabib and Islam to discredit them.

Exclusively ?

I think you don’t know what that word means.

Dozens of fighters are accused of being weight bullies.

Volk has been 5 rounds many times and has always had energy,,,, Weight bullies don’t have a half dozen 5 round victories.

Islam has never seen a 5th round… So let’s hope Volk can last long enough to push Islam into the 5th…. Then we will know some things.