International Isis/syria/iraq thread

[Videer]

Kurdish dreams of unified cantons just about to be crushed, offensive in the northern Aleppo getting really close to the regime lines aswell.

 

[whougonnacall]

So we're ignoring all the foreign support and fighters the jihadis have now?

Not remotely comparable levels of support

 

[Bat Dad]

Shits getting real
Nick paton gets caught in gunfire

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/17/middleeast/mosul-isis-operation-begins-iraq/#

 

[whougonnacall]

You are delusional as always.
Winter doesn't favour the rebels when they are under siege and are losing ground. Each offensive gets rolled back easily.
Also, in case you didn't notice there's 60k battle hardened Iraqi troops assaulting mosul right now. Where do you think they'll go next when they're done.

It does when airpower is so critical to holding and going forwardfor even the regimes finest foriegn legions ...remove the ruaf and the rebels would be in damascus gov palace by xmas.
Foodwise for the seige the crops have been burnt by the regime ages ago


Even if mosul falls bear in mind theres a large sunni element in that force as well as the fact a huge local shia force going to syria like that could reignite the civil war there that allowed isis to slip in the door in the first place...so at best a part of that force could be redeployed

 

[whougonnacall]

Kurdish dreams of unified cantons just about to be crushed, offensive in the northern Aleppo getting really close to the regime lines aswell.

Mortar fire reported between ypg and fsa already
The fsa commander has said al bab and mabij first then aleppo

 

[A Very Serious Cat]

Not remotely comparable levels of support

Youre dreaming if you think the rebels wouldnt be up shit creek without a constant supply of fighters, shiney new weapons and cash from their backers.

 

[Rod1]

Kurdish dreams of unified cantons just about to be crushed, offensive in the northern Aleppo getting really close to the regime lines aswell.

Is Turkey flying in Syria or are Putin threats of shooting down Turkish aircraft still on?

 

[whougonnacall]

Youre dreaming if you think the rebels wouldnt be up shit creek without a constant supply of fighters, shiney new weapons and cash from their backers.

Fighters are local ,Most of their weapons are secured from regime esp the non moderates
By contrast regime is utterly reliant on foriegn manpower ,weaponry,cash and most importantly airpower among a host of other logistics
Tha assault on aleppo being perffect example , guardian article cites 80% of attacking force foriegn militas (one iraqi one known for boiling human heads) and thats only making progress due to ruaf carpet bombing.

 

[Sauron]

It does when airpower is so critical to holding and going forwardfor even the regimes finest foriegn legions ...remove the ruaf and the rebels would be in damascus gov palace by xmas.
Foodwise for the seige the crops have been burnt by the regime ages ago


Even if mosul falls bear in mind theres a large sunni element in that force as well as the fact a huge local shia force going to syria like that could reignite the civil war there that allowed isis to slip in the door in the first place...so at best a part of that force could be redeployed

Please. You're still so delusional.

The RUAF will still operate in winter the vast majority of the time. However, cold weather will seriously sap the morale of those who are already suffering. Suppositions don't add anything. Fact of the matter is that Rusia is there. Just as saudi and others support ISIS and AQ.

ISIS and the sunni's are a spent force in Iraq. It's all downhill for them. Mosul will fall. It may even fall quicker than many expect. ISIS have overstayed their welcome by many accounts. Other than rebuilding their lives after the mistake of co-opting ISIS, they're not in a position to do anything other than bombing markets etc.

 

[whougonnacall]

Is Turkey flying in Syria or are Putin threats of shooting down Turkish aircraft still on?

Flying bombing missions as are u.s jets

 

[Videer]

Is Turkey flying in Syria or are Putin threats of shooting down Turkish aircraft still on?

Vova and Gollum kissed and are bff's now.

 

[xcvbn]

French artillery battery taking part in the Mosul operation.



In Syria regime loyalists trying to figure out how to work a mortar get blasted by a TOW.

Amazing that TOW missile only seems to knock down 2 or 3 in that group. At the same time, TOW operator chanting ALLAHU AKBAR makes me not a fan.

 

[whougonnacall]

Please. You're still so delusional.

The RUAF will still operate in winter the vast majority of the time. However, cold weather will seriously sap the morale of those who are already suffering. Suppositions don't add anything. Fact of the matter is that Rusia is there. Just as saudi and others support ISIS and AQ.

ISIS and the sunni's are a spent force in Iraq. It's all downhill for them. Mosul will fall. It may even fall quicker than many expect. ISIS have overstayed their welcome by many accounts. Other than rebuilding their lives after the mistake of co-opting ISIS, they're not in a position to do anything other than bombing markets etc.

Yup itl still try to operate surely but bad weather will give days where theres limited to no airstrikes...we have seen this before


Isis are a spent force yep but theres still millions of sunnis in that area and many are armed and many are part of the attack force.

 

[Orgasmo]

Amazing that TOW missile only seems to knock down 2 or 3 in that group. At the same time, TOW operator chanting ALLAHU AKBAR makes me not a fan.

The TOW uses a HEAT warhead designed to penetrate armor, rather than for anti-personal purpose. Most of those guys will be stunned, burned and bleeding from their ears for a while, but otherwise they'll live. Unless it's a direct hit or in extreme close proximity, you will make it out alive more often than not.

My rule of thumb is if they chant Allah Snackbar, they probably deserve to get bombed.

 

[Rod1]

Flying bombing missions as are u.s jets

So what did Erdogan and Putin agreed to?

 

[Videer]

Amazing that TOW missile only seems to knock down 2 or 3 in that group. At the same time, TOW operator chanting ALLAHU AKBAR makes me not a fan.

Yeps, no fragmentation so its effect in that role is really limited.

So what did Erdogan and Putin agreed to?

Squashing any possibility of a Kurdish state along the border.

 

[whougonnacall]

So what did Erdogan and Putin agreed to?

Only they know the details id imagine its a pretty fluid and simple agreement
-Neither side push the other again with shootdowns or direct attacks, but arm whomever bar kurds
-economic tit for tat off and deals back on
-kurds prob not to be armed with anymore new tech by russia given both turkey, iraq (who russia is courting) and iran ( their allies in this quagmire) arent fond of that and it invites turkey to respond by arming groups in russias borders

Id say its something like that
Ie '' you do your thing and we do ours in syria , let not make it personal or come to blows again as wel both keep trading with each other.''

 

[VivaRevolution]

It does when airpower is so critical to holding and going forwardfor even the regimes finest foriegn legions ...remove the ruaf and the rebels would be in damascus gov palace by xmas.
Foodwise for the seige the crops have been burnt by the regime ages ago


Even if mosul falls bear in mind theres a large sunni element in that force as well as the fact a huge local shia force going to syria like that could reignite the civil war there that allowed isis to slip in the door in the first place...so at best a part of that force could be redeployed

Here is what makes this whole situation insane. So lets say we take back Mosul, then what?

We re-arm Sunni military forces, so they can give them to ISIS when they come back?

Do we send Shiite or Kurdish troops in and threaten another civil war, when that turns back into revenge instead of policing?

How do we hold Mosul, when the people are loyal to ISIS, and letting other groups police there is a recipe for disaster?

 

[GhostZ06]

we have arty teams in the area

8:48


hmmmmm Seals? or Delta?

 

[GhostZ06]