Is war necessary?

[Takes Two To Tango]

I believe in the past wars helped evolve human beings to what we are now. There has been economic, technological, medical growth through war.

But I believe it's unnecessary at this point. War is just getting more dangerous and destructive that can end civilization all together.

 

[KnightTemplar]

 

[Bobby00]

Yes it is. If a country gets invaded the only option is to go to war or surrender. Surrender is laying your peoples fate in the hands of the invader. Tibet is a good example. Non violent resistance has not brought them great things.

 

[jimbob27]

Of course it's necessary. War is what happens when people try and defend themselves against tyranny.

Once tyranny has been eliminated then I guess war becomes unnecessary, but that's never going to happen until we reach Star Trek levels of enlightenment.

 

[Contempt]

It's human nature to be both tribal and to fight over available resources. It's not a matter of it being necessary or not, it's inevitable.

 

[Takes Two To Tango]

Yes it is. If a country gets invaded the only option is to go to war or surrender. Surrender is laying your peoples fate in the hands of the invader. Tibet is a good example. Non violent resistance has not brought them great things.

Yeah that's a fair statement, indeed.

 

[Takes Two To Tango]

Of course it's necessary. War is what happens when people try and defend themselves against tyranny.

Once tyranny has been eliminated then I guess war becomes unnecessary, but that's never going to happen until we reach Star Trek levels of enlightenment.

Yes if you are pushed to that brink yes than it is necessary, but I don't think it's going to be as common as it once was.

 

[Takes Two To Tango]

It's human nature to be both tribal and to fight over available resources. It's not a matter of it being necessary or not, it's inevitable.

Hmmm interesting, thanks.

 

[Sweater of AV]

 

[nonoob]

WAR IS A RACKET! | WAR

war.lookintoit.org

https://www.heritage-history.com/site/hclass/secret_societies/ebooks/pdf/butler_racket.pdf

 

[Meatspin]

No avoiding it unfortunately.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Humans are fundamentally retarded so it's always gonna happen.

 

[nonoob]

No avoiding it unfortunately.

"War is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small ‘inside’ group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes."

"In War Is a Racket Major General Smedley Butler points to a variety of examples, mostly from World War I, where industrialists, whose operations were subsidized by public funding, were able to generate substantial profits, making money from mass human suffering."
The work is divided into five chapters:

War is a racket
Who makes the profits?
Who pays the bills?
How to smash this racket!
To hell with war!

"Well, it's a racket all right...A few profit—and the many pay. But there is a way to stop it. You can't end it by disarmament conferences. You can't eliminate it by peace parleys at Geneva. Well-meaning but impractical groups can't wipe it out by resolutions. It can be smashed effectively only by taking the profit out of war. The only way to smash this racket is to conscript capital and industry and labor before the nations manhood can be conscripted. One month before the Government can conscript the young men of the nation -- it must conscript capital and industry and labor. Let the officers and the directors and the high-powered executives of our armament factories and our munitions makers and our shipbuilders and our airplane builders and the manufacturers of all the other things that provide profit in war time as well as the bankers and the speculators, be conscripted -- to get $30 a month, the same wage as the lads in the trenches get."

 

[Meatspin]

"In War Is a Racket, Butler points to a variety of examples, mostly from World War I, where industrialists, whose operations were subsidized by public funding, were able to generate substantial profits, making money from mass human suffering."


The work is divided into five chapters:


War is a racket
Who makes the profits?
Who pays the bills?
How to smash this racket!
To hell with war!

"Well, it's a racket all right...A few profit—and the many pay. But there is a way to stop it. You can't end it by disarmament conferences. You can't eliminate it by peace parleys at Geneva. Well-meaning but impractical groups can't wipe it out by resolutions. It can be smashed effectively only by taking the profit out of war. The only way to smash this racket is to conscript capital and industry and labor before the nations manhood can be conscripted. One month before the Government can conscript the young men of the nation -- it must conscript capital and industry and labor. Let the officers and the directors and the high-powered executives of our armament factories and our munitions makers and our shipbuilders and our airplane builders and the manufacturers of all the other things that provide profit in war time as well as the bankers and the speculators, be conscripted -- to get $30 a month, the same wage as the lads in the trenches get."

Major General Smedley Butler​

"War is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small ‘inside’ group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes."

Can’t fault that.

 

[Belaya Smert]

No it’s kicking a can down the road for humanity to deal with at a later date.
It leads to nothing but human suffering and for the rich and powerful to quite literally use the poor as chess pieces. The cultural division it produces makes former victims refer to their adversaries as inhuman. And the cycle can perpetuate itself indefinitely;
like in Gaza.

 

[Takes Two To Tango]

No it’s kicking a can down the road for humanity to deal with at a later date.
It leads to nothing but human suffering and for the rich and powerful to quite literally use the poor as chess pieces. The cultural division it produces makes former victims refer to their adversaries as inhuman. And the cycle can perpetuate itself indefinitely;
like in Gaza.

Very well said, thanks.

 

[mozfonky]

No it’s kicking a can down the road for humanity to deal with at a later date.
It leads to nothing but human suffering and for the rich and powerful to quite literally use the poor as chess pieces. The cultural division it produces makes former victims refer to their adversaries as inhuman. And the cycle can perpetuate itself indefinitely;
like in Gaza.

even though lots of people see the folly of it, there are always enough people either too cowardly, too brainwashed or too broke to not join up. There are still plenty of people in our country (US) who think it's your duty to heed the call of this country no matter right or wrong and if you don't, you're forever labelled as a draft dodger and a coward.

We're all hypocrites too, how many of us fight over petty shit in our silly little lives and although it usually doesn't rise to the level of physical violence, a lot of people who think it's just dandy to say war is wrong are vile, manipulative evil people in their daily lives.

Unfortunately, there is also the very real need for aggression to defend oneself, that's why we have that impulse in the first place, just the raw animal drive for aggression, it's there and it's not going anywhere soon. They are trying to pussify our boys and make them more feminine and we see how that's working. We're not tribes or little rodents or apes anymore, we're actually advanced enough to where our aggressive instincts can destroy us completely.

 

[William Huggins]

For the moment yes, until we figure better forms of testing of human nature and stop this love affair with putting systems in place that encourages humans with mental issues in power.......

 

[mozfonky]

For the moment yes, until we figure better forms of testing of human nature and stop this love affair with putting systems in place that encourages humans with mental issues in power.......

I watched a docu on dictators once and it occured to me they all seemed like the same person. I could only wonder if they were always that way or they became that way because of their position.

 

[Deleted member 449757]

Not necessary but the alternative is worldwide tyranny, so it's more of a trade-off question. Do you want to painfully die in a trench or rather painfully die in a torture prison.