I'm only joined by a few other conservatives that push back on Isreal in the hamas thread, but I stopped posting after it devolved somewhat. Its part of the rift on the right where you see the more isolationist minded guys vs neocons. But I suppose we don't fight each other that often in other threads
Seconded
This is another thing with the format that can be frustrating but I do think overall it helps if you do engage a thread, you try to keep within that topic rather than a what about. You can agree x is bad but that doesn’t mean party y overall is worse than party z. The people who just camp in the threads pointing at their narrative are only stunting themselves.
I fought plenty with the Trump is awesome people. He might be awesome of he gets pushed or blackmailed into acting right...
You really think this is exclusive to democrats? Lol
Yea, that’s kinda been a conversation for eight years now. Tons of exhaustion around it imo and this election will see if there’s another 4 year extension.
Do you think that Republicans are the party of less change? I think that's been a big shift in the past 20 years. The Roe reversal was the biggest change in recent years. Trump is talking about drastic cuts to taxes for rich people partially covered by drastic increases in tariffs. I think that's a pretty fundamental change in how America would work. And I think it would possibly kill SS. Last time, Republicans came very close to drastically reducing healthcare access. More generally, the New Deal has been in effect for most our grandparents' whole lifetimes, and trying to kill it is radical. Not to mention the attacks on democracy, which has been effect for 250 years. And even rhetorically, the GOP pretty clearly thinks that the country has been on the wrong track for a long time and kind of hates it as it is.
No and that’s an issue where it’s strongly set up for two major parties. A healthier Conservative Party would be for less change. Not blind opposition to anything new but more prone to kick the tires/ more concern about unintended consequences/ etc
I think regardless of the medias relationship, it doesn’t factor in the same way they think for political results. A politician easily can attack perceived media bias against them almost as easy as if they are being coddled. Voters are capable to see what they think is really happening. It’s gone past that at this point where it’s just truth isn’t important or “meta” truth makes something not true actually true. It’s hard to really debate people holding that stance so I don’t have a quick solution for the party to have some restoration aside from reactions to electoral defeats and changing course.
I agree with this.
The media issue is partly driven by and partly a driver of the different characters of the movements. The most extreme rightists are the most reliable supporters of the GOP and of individuals within it, while the most extreme leftists generally hate Democrats. I think people on both sides misunderstand each other because they don't realize that.
I question the extreme rightists piece a bit at this point. Trump should’ve lost more normie republicans at this point but they and the mirroring politicians are falling in line in the general. And in the general, it doesn’t seem like the campaign feels a concern for easing that groups tensions. They kinda have assumed (possibly correctly) that this group falls in line and they need to ramp up the farther right group still. This becomes hard to distinguish though because I think that appealing/ strategy isn’t always layered in policy. I probably need more time to hash it out in my head but it’s like the 2012 primary finally flipped the calculation. That led to a 1-1 record though and could be a very bad calculation that just hasn’t played out completely. Maybe there is more of a split with voters who backed Haley or like people like Sununu in not supporting Trump vs what the politician ended up doing. And then it gets described as a tightrope. Not a tightrope at all, they are just shilling after thinking they miscalculated in the present time.
The other con about Reddit is the size. Do people really note any other users views over time and have continued discussions? Cause I find it a bit hard to just speak with a stranger time after time and not know if they are a troll or other views they may have taken. It’s like when I’d see some new person arguing a scientific item with Ripskater and then pointing out to them he thinks flat earth might be or is real and also thought fairies exist. They just realized to immediately drop the discussion.
There’s a lot of stuff on here that I don’t publicly disagree with because it’s funny or because it annoys people I don’t like.
We certainly agree that he's a tool.
What's changed since 2012 is that the party has become more partisan and less ideological.
