Is Steven Seagal legit?

[Venom]

McGregor's meuvement training doesn't seem so bad after all..

 

[F0od]

 

[Deleted member 509053]

He talks about how he could wreck and kill any UFC fighter. He even trained Anderson and Machida. So is this guy and his aikido skills for real, can he do what he claims he can do or is it bs
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He invented the front kick... if that's not legit then idk what is pal

 

[lalaland]

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[Cooliox]

Every Sherdogger has a certified black belt, so we are allowed to look down on accomplished black belts from a different discipline.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

I think Seagal's standing obviously relates to how seriously one takes aikido. I've gathered that there's kind of a consensus on Sherdog that aikido isn't all that useful, but I don't know much about the details.

1. How well does aikido rank against traditional martial arts like karate or judo?
2. How well does aikido rank against disciplines like boxing or wrestling?
3. Why are there no aikido fighters in the UFC?
4. How well would a top ranked aikido practitioner fare in MMA?

 

[CFGroup]

I think Seagal's standing obviously relates to how seriously one takes aikido. I've gathered that there's kind of a consensus on Sherdog that aikido isn't all that useful, but I don't know much about the details.

1. How well does aikido rank against traditional martial arts like karate or judo?
2. How well does aikido rank against disciplines like boxing or wrestling?
3. Why are there no aikido fighters in the UFC?
4. How well would a top ranked aikido practitioner fare in MMA?

Apples and Oranges.

MMA your wrists are bound up so you don't break(well in theory) your hands or wrists. Check out that Machida clip above notice how he strikes with a linear straight forward motion. That's the only way to punch without breaking your wrists if they're not taped. Aikido is derived from a weapons disarm system so wrist control and breaking is crucial.

That wrist breaking range of techniques wouldn't work in the ring, but outside it any MMA fighter would be in danger from the Tomiki or Yoshinkan lineage that does full resistance 1v1 Randuri. I guess it depends on the lineage. The fluff spiritual lines are toast. In grappling range the Ryu/Judo based will transition to leg sweeps/traps and standing hip control throws and TDD.

Like Judo, but more so it's not really applicable as a system in MMA but the "Aiki" principles of using momentum against your opponent with the least amount of exertion to preserve endurance is already found in tons of MMA application and execution.

 

[Dbreiden83080]

Every Sherdogger has a certified black belt, so we are allowed to look down on accomplished black belts from a different discipline.

Not sure how accomplished he is. He is a Hollywood actor that has done a lot of talking over the years. Highly suspicious.

 

[Jimmy Jazz]

he did teach anderson that kick. silva just threw pushy sloppy teeps before that. the way he ko'd belfort was pure karate which seagal has experience in.

 

[Jimmy Jazz]

No he didn't. He went on arsenio hall's show a week or 2 aftet Va Damme was talking shit and when they played the clip for him he said they could do it luce on the air and Hall could be the referee. VD didn't want any part of him. Dude was a fucking gymnast, nit a fighter.

vd has a kickboxing record and some semi contact bouts. I dont think it is fair to call him that.

 

[Air Lats]

He's a legit Oscar caliber actor and an awesome bully.

 

[Jimmy Jazz]

Prime, Healthy Connery with That Look in his eyes makes Seagal his prison bitch.

Connery was a bodybuilder, bouncer and legit black belt in Kyokushin Karate. On the set of one movie, a Wise Guy who thought his girlfriend was having an affair with Connery pulled a gun on him. Connery knocked him the fuck out with one punch.

wow I didnt know he did kyokushin! thats bad ass

 

[tramendous]

Prime, Healthy Connery with That Look in his eyes makes Seagal his prison bitch.

Connery was a bodybuilder, bouncer and legit black belt in Kyokushin Karate. On the set of one movie, a Wise Guy who thought his girlfriend was having an affair with Connery pulled a gun on him. Connery knocked him the fuck out with one punch.

lol connery with that use teh environment fighting style before jason bourne. before it was cool.

 

[tramendous]

Sly Stallone was havin a party at his house like 20 years ago and Seagal and Jean Claude Van Damme got into it. Seagal backed down from Van Damme. Can Damme isn't even a classically trained martial artist. He's a ballet man. He's also like 5'8 tops. Seagal had height and about 100 pounds on Van Damme. He backed down.

wasnt van damme a kick boxer?



more like western kickboxing/karate but its still something

 

[JimmyFresno]

He legit fucked a prime Kelly LeBrock. Does that count?

Yeah, he's got a rank in a TMA he received in Japan, as Seagal married the daughter of the aging master at that dojo, before leaving her to run the place, while he moved back to California and briefly considered a career in Law Enforcement.

He also has a legit back ground in philanthropy, as any wealthy person ought to.

Anyway, back to Kelly LeBrock... Seagal's sperm were...Hard To Kill:

 

[Slicks]

First dan in Aikido.....I feel like a broken record with saying it but by and large it was a waste of time.

A would be attacker who uses grabbing moves instead of strikes would be potentially up for injury but a small 100lb woman isn't going to kotegaeshi a 200lb man and Seagal isn't going to be ripping off the arms of a well trained fighter who has clean striking.

 

[KnightTemplar]

You may have a point. But due to rules more than anything. Small joint manipation is illegal and that is what his variety of aikido essentially is.

It's less to do with the techniques of Aikido and more to do with how you train them. The huge advantage that Wrestlers, Boxers, Judoka etc have in a real fight is that they are used to heavy contact and to applying their techniques against a fully resisting opponent. Of course the art itself needs to adapt according to circumstances. Boxers need to change the way they fight to compensate for the much smaller gloves they wear in an MMA fight. Wrestlers have to be aware of the danger of strikes as they go for a take down. No BJJ fighter is going to drop on to the ground in a street fight and wait for his attacker to fall into his Guard.

But the basic techniques of Combat Sports tend to be gross motor skills, and have been pressured tested against someone who is trying their best to both resist and counter attack. This means people who practice these arts/sports develop the mental and physical toughness required to make their techniques work in real life. Aggression and physical contact doesn't phase them. They won't hesitate to apply a technique with full power. And they don't panic if the first thing they try goes to shit.

This means they are often far more formidable opponents than people who practice, "deadly" TMA like Aikido. I know a Judo black belt who worked as a bouncer in Edinburgh. During a fight he threw his opponent with one of the basic Judo throws(I can't remember which one). His attacker had no training in how to break fall, and in any case was being thrown onto concrete. He was left in a pool of blood with the back of his head split open...

 

[CFGroup]

First dan in Aikido.....I feel like a broken record with saying it but by and large it was a waste of time.

A would be attacker who uses grabbing moves instead of strikes would be potentially up for injury but a small 100lb woman isn't going to kotegaeshi a 200lb man and Seagal isn't going to be ripping off the arms of a well trained fighter who has clean striking.

What's your lineage?

Just asking cause there's a ton of fluff air throw schools out there.....

 

[Gorbag]

Ronda Rousey on the Steven Seagal - Gene LeBell incident;

 

[wilKO]

He is 100% legit



Look how he completey destroyed Feijao. Feijao looks confused as hell at the speed and accuracy of Seagal. I had to slow the video down to see it properly. And Feijaos career went to complete shit after this encounter.