Is Sambo better than BJJ for MMA?

aus101 said:
Isn't sambo a mix of bjj, wrestling and striking? Sure sounds like a better "base" for mixed martial arts than just bjj.
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Sambo is a strain of KJJ learned by Vasili Oschepkov at the Kodokan and brought back to Russia. At that time Kano Sensei had incorporated many splinter Ryu into the Kodokan giving KJJ a much more rounded approach than the modern sport Judo. Sambo incorporates a great example of the variety of techniques that JJJ encompassed before the de militarization of Japan after WW2. If u soaked JJJ in vodka and fed it to a bear Sambo's what it would look like after, LOL!
 
Palhares didn't get to the ground with Lombard.
 
I would say it's a great base, but most sambo fighters are quite wild. Khabib has only got better since a move to AKA, he has refined his skills into a more complete and technical form.
 
Lol at using Karo and Lombard as arguments for sambo. Huge stretch.

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Sambo is an excellent base, but using only extraordinary athletes like Fedor and Khabib to draw conclusions will lead you to wrong results.
 
aus101 said:
Isn't sambo a mix of bjj, wrestling and striking? Sure sounds like a better "base" for mixed martial arts than just bjj.
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That's combat sambo. Sport sambo is judo with different subs.
 
BrazilianDude said:
Lol at using Karo and Lombard as arguments for sambo. Huge stretch.

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Sambo is an excellent base, but using only extraordinary athletes like Fedor and Khabib to draw conclusions will lead you to wrong results.
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Same thing here. Werdum is just extraordinary then.
And my examples are not a huge stretch not even close. Actually the Hayastan Academy is a Judo/Sambo school. Only reason Karo became more popular as a Judo-ka was due there are basically no Sambo tournaments in California but a lot of Judo tournaments. His base is Judo/Sambo. Cuban Judo is basically Russian Judo which is a LOT more similar to Sambo than Japanese Judo this is a fact like it or not.
 
JosephDredd said:
That's combat sambo. Sport sambo is judo with different subs.
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Exactly I was talking about "Sport Sambo" which is the traditional Sambo. This is what Fedor learned regardless of him competing in Combat Sambo tournaments.
 
Im going to go with "no"
 
I knew before clicking that Fedor would be in the first sentence.
 
migeru29 said:
Exactly I was talking about "Sport Sambo" which is the traditional Sambo. This is what Fedor learned regardless of him competing in Combat Sambo tournaments.
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I have never seen any tournament results from Fedor competing in sport Sambo - combat sambo yes - and he medalled in international tournaments in judo.
 
riitzni said:
Combat Sambo yeah because there's strikes involved. It's about as close as you're going to get and you can train under the juice masters in Soviet Russia.
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Most top fighters come from the U.S., Brazil or Russia. All 3 are notorious for massive steroid abuse among their athletes.
 
migeru29 said:
Fedor destroyed Minotauro in his prime. Minotauro was considered the top BJJ specialist at that time.

Khabib vs RDA. He controlled Dos Anjos very well the match is a good example of Sambo vs BJJ since it was about 85% just grappling.

Hector Lombard vs Jake Shields and Palhares. He beat the hell out these two who are considered one of the best BJJ specialist (top 5). He destroyed Palhares and he showed great grappling skills against Shields.
Note: Cuban Judo foundation is Russian Judo which is more similar to Sambo than traditional Japanese Judo.

Sergei vs Werdum... Sergei was able to defend himself pretty well on the ground against a top 3 BJJ specialist.

Kim vs Nate. Kim did an excellent job using a great top control against Nate's slick BJJ.

Karo Parisyan. I know he is a Judo guy but his Judo is Armenian/Russian style which is more similar to Sambo than traditional Judo. He almost submitted Diaz and showed excellent top control.
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Werdum embarrassed Fedor with BJJ so yeah.
 
It's better than just doing BJJ because it's basically MMA, but pretty much all the new guys these days have been training MMA since day 1 instead of being a BJJ guy or kickboxer and cross training.
 
sirmorbach said:
This thread couldn't have been started by someone with a more appropriate AV. lol
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As a judo guy myself, I don't think judo/sambo is superior. It's just that it's one of the the lesser known grappling arts, so fewer people know how to defend it. However, the more exposure judo/sambo receives, the more familiar people get with the grips and the movement, eventually they'll figure out how to defend it.

One thing that judo/sambo does do when compared to bjj, is that it's a very tough sport. It's very physical and demanding on the body. So I think it may give a toughness edge to a judo/sambo player over a bjj player. However, I always believe wrestling is the toughest sport of all.
 
BrazilianDude said:
Lol at using Karo and Lombard as arguments for sambo. Huge stretch.

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Sambo is an excellent base, but using only extraordinary athletes like Fedor and Khabib to draw conclusions will lead you to wrong results.
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That sub was so weird. I remember watching it live and Fedor was just laying in Werdum's open guard without really fighting it, as Werdum was clearly moving his legs up for a triangle choke slowly. It's like Fedor was over confident and just thought that he couldn't get subbed or something. It was strange.

And in full disclosure, Werdum main focus is bjj, but I believe he has a judo blackbelt as well.
 
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