Social Is Plastic Surgery worth it?

[mungos]

Post before and after pics

 

[DoctorTaco]

It does not. It only helps but you have to meet looks threshold first.

why you did not reply to anything else I wrote? So let’s say

You get DM or tinder swipe > you aren’t gonna see if the guy is good looking or decent for you or not? When you have options?

Some people amaze me

I don’t owe you shit amigo. I can reply to as little or as much of your posts as I like. I’m basing my reply’s on real conversations I’ve had with real women on this topic for years.

If a guy is a smoke show but his profile is a dud, girls will pass. If the guy looks genuine, sweet, and injects humor and confidence into his profile he’ll do better than our fictional hot, boring guy no matter what his zydeco rating is or what ever.

 

[Vayn Sword]

Yes.

 

[pinger]

All takes from the basement. First of all, with socials and by the fact man aren’t nearly as selective as Woman (not even the best looking ones).. all ugly or even AVG man can only dream of getting an bag avg let alone a hot girl.

Passionate? Funny? Since when it creates any sexual atttaction? Yeah, success and money might help, but you need a baseline to start with.

I have a good/decent jaw already, so not gonna do that. Also, PEEK and silicone implants are mostly related to zygos and eyes.

I’ve considered infra orbital (with retraction or cantoplasthy), meanwhile Zygos can be helped with FAT Removal or Cheeks\Zygo implants.

Do not see me hating or saying low opinion of women. I just do not like myself and do not believe my looks are good enough at all, to pull the ones I like with.

Also, whatever someone is a bad guy, a psycho etc, doesn’t matter as looks carried many, many man into that.

We are all shallow, unfortunately.

Natty lifting + grooming + surgery is probably enough.

SARMs and Test issue is PCT for hormone crash. If not they would be a god send gift (but remember to keep in mind for a hair transplant in case blasting and abusing gives you hair loss very noticeable).

Your issue is you are judging yourself and others purely off looks. You have a distorted reality of how people interact apart from very shallow narcissists.

 

[jx820]

Looks don't make that big a difference to women. They don't hurt... but there are a lot of average to ugly men who do very well for themselves because they can talk.

If you think the problem with your love/sex is your looks or women's hang ups on your appearance, it's a pretty safe bet you need a shrink more than a surgeon.

 

[ShadBo]

All woman think like this

You have much bigger problems than however you've mind fucked your self image.

I'd tell you to get off the Internet but I'm pretty sure it's already too late.

 

[I Fusion I]

I don’t owe you shit amigo. I can reply to as little or as much of your posts as I like. I’m basing my reply’s on real conversations I’ve had with real women on this topic for years.

If a guy is a smoke show but his profile is a dud, girls will pass. If the guy looks genuine, sweet, and injects humor and confidence into his profile he’ll do better than our fictional hot, boring guy no matter what his zydeco rating is or what ever.

Never seen any of this happening irl, ever.

Chadfish experiments have all a predictable outcome. If the guy looks decent he might get lucky with one but be rejected by others far more than the guy with looks only.

You say my zygos stuff is bs, but lookism and halo effect has been proven to be true multiple times…

Looks don't make that big a difference to women. They don't hurt... but there are a lot of average to ugly men who do very well for themselves because they can talk.

If you think the problem with your love/sex is your looks or women's hang ups on your appearance, it's a pretty safe bet you need a shrink more than a surgeon.

All tales from the asylum.

Looks is #1, face then height then physique.

Being said, shrink what? You’ve never seen how I look, how would you judge that? And write about how I look?

I think woman would reject me fairly easily based off my looks, yes.

You have much bigger problems than however you've mind fucked your self image.

I'd tell you to get off the Internet but I'm pretty sure it's already too late.

What problems?

Your issue is you are judging yourself and others purely off looks. You have a distorted reality of how people interact apart from very shallow narcissists.

I am not narcy neither shallow.

I am just speaking from facts and stuff I know before.

 

[560ti]

Literally all the time.

100 percent. Confidence, passion, good talker, and sense of humor are huge.

The basis of him disagreeing with this is oh well they'll see your appearance online first and then swipe away or not DM you.

The problem with this is DM and tinder are arguably the lowest success rate for relationships so you're basically saying no those non appearance attributes don't matter because a low success rate method which is appearance heavy says otherwise

You're basically contradicting yourself. When you put yourself in positions where you can flaunt those non appearance attributes (meeting a women through church, common hobby, through a friend, through work) that's when attributes like sense of humor, confidence, passion, good comminicator shine.

Now before he does what he's been doing for weeks which is nitpicking or trying to disagree I'm not saying looks have zero value I'm saying you're ignoring other aspects which build attraction because you're looking at it from a shallow low success rate appearance heavy perspective. In the long run it's going to do even more harm than good.

I don't think any of us can explain this any better.

 

[DoctorTaco]

100 percent. Confidence, passion, good talker, and sense of humor are huge.

The basis of him disagreeing with this is oh well they'll see your appearance online first and then swipe away or not DM you.

The problem with this is DM and tinder are arguably the lowest success rate for relationships so you're basically saying no those non appearance attributes don't matter because a low success rate method which is appearance heavy says otherwise

You're basically contradicting yourself. When you put yourself in positions where you can flaunt those non appearance attributes (meeting a women through church, common hobby, through a friend, through work) that's when attributes like sense of humor, confidence, passion, good comminicator shine.

Now before he does what he's been doing for weeks which is nitpicking or trying to disagree I'm not saying looks have zero value I'm saying you're ignoring other aspects which build attraction because you're looking at it from a shallow low success rate appearance heavy perspective. In the long run it's going to do even more harm than good.

I don't think any of us can explain this any better.

Confirmation bias from too much time on incel forums

 

[I Fusion I]

100 percent. Confidence, passion, good talker, and sense of humor are huge.

The basis of him disagreeing with this is oh well they'll see your appearance online first and then swipe away or not DM you.

The problem with this is DM and tinder are arguably the lowest success rate for relationships so you're basically saying no those non appearance attributes don't matter because a low success rate method which is appearance heavy says otherwise

You're basically contradicting yourself. When you put yourself in positions where you can flaunt those non appearance attributes (meeting a women through church, common hobby, through a friend, through work) that's when attributes like sense of humor, confidence, passion, good comminicator shine.

Now before he does what he's been doing for weeks which is nitpicking or trying to disagree I'm not saying looks have zero value I'm saying you're ignoring other aspects which build attraction because you're looking at it from a shallow low success rate appearance heavy perspective. In the long run it's going to do even more harm than good.

I don't think any of us can explain this any better.

No huge social circle, that’s the only way to know most woman and approach them.

Also, if they like the look > you get a date.

Being said, I have zero confirmation bias. Been rejected 2x or 3x last year. Killed my confidence.

Why? Because i'm not tall or muscular, (both could be a halo) but the real thing is my face, bones and skin simply aren’t enough attractive put together,

So genetics basically.

Confirmation bias from too much time on incel forums

Nope. Other way around. From IRL things.

 

[HenryFlower]

i know some ugly bastards who smash. explain that, incel boy

 

[DoctorTaco]

i know some ugly bastards who smash. explain that, incel boy

He’ll assume those bastards are “bad boys” that women like, or that they have “social currency” which he doesn’t.

 

[Kardashians]

A big part of that may have been his teeth though. But with his mouth closed you don't think he was handsome?

Tom Cruise always looked off to me. Like he’s crazy and smelled a bad fart. Now Matt Dillion . . .



Rocks it even with a unibrow.

 

[FyrFytr998]

The only plastic surgery I would ever consider is to restore looks or functionality.

 

[evansusmc2]

Based off what? You know how surgery works? It’s made to fix the flaws (soft tissue or oestotomy) or enhance features (implants, fat removal)

Alright man. My advice would be go nuts in the gym and clean diet FIRST for 5 months. Then if you still want to go the surgery route than alright.

 

[Crash Lance]

This thread is depressing as Hell.

 

[I Fusion I]

i know some ugly bastards who smash. explain that, incel boy

I knew, I knew.

All tales from the basement. They must get ugly woman

Alright man. My advice would be go nuts in the gym and clean diet FIRST for 5 months. Then if you still want to go the surgery route than alright.

Will do both.

The only plastic surgery I would ever consider is to restore looks or functionality.

Fixing flaws is functionality.

He’ll assume those bastards are “bad boys” that women like, or that they have “social currency” which he doesn’t.

TLDR: they do not exist.

If avg or ugly guy gets play he’s either lucky, social circle or has some clout or money

 

[melvinj0]

For the most part I think it’s pretty dumb, people almost always look weirder after they get something done. It’s great for people with deformities and shit though, which is what it should mostly be for imo.

Also just wanna say, I hate fake tits so much. For me I love the stoppage of natural boobies and the organic shape. The weird roundness and stillness of lots of implants really kill it for me.

 

[Takes Two To Tango]

So it's possible to not ruin your face, but the chances are slim and few and far between from what I've seen by hollyweird people and their botched surgeries.

Here some successful surgeries, before and after pics.

 

[I Fusion I]

So it's possible to not ruin your face, but the chances are slim and few and far between from what I've seen by hollyweird people and their botched surgeries.

Here some successful surgeries, before and after pics.

Completely wrong.

Soft Tissue is different, implants can be removed/edited and made directly on the skin.

Also, you use it to fix something that’s a flaw, with the correct procedure by a reliable and known surgeon.

Not like you go to a random and plan stuff not properly…

Also there’s fillers (can be dissolved) which are easily practicablr