Social Is Plastic Surgery worth it?

[I Fusion I]

I don't think it's a good idea. Let's say you get a little bit done and it doesn't achieve what you are hoping for. You will be going back for more and where does it end?

Find a hobby and immerse yourself in it and you may just find a soul mate that way.

The changes you make to your face are completely superficial and that would be the same type of person you would attract and that would ultimately be fucking miserable. Find happiness another way.

Lol superficial? Highest reward… also, there’s still gear or natty lifting and other things I can max after surgery.

If it doesn’t work, surgery again (if necessary) or work out a lot + play numbers game,

I can't stress this enough. The more friends you have and the more good guy persona you put out into the world the more opportunities you will get. Women are much more likely to give you a shot when you come recommended.

I can't pull a damn thing out in a bar by myself. But meeting women through a friend or company gathering and it's on.

No social circle anymore unfortunately. Broke up with a lot of people this year.

You need to stop consuming incel and red pill content. It's making you insecure and giving you body dysmorphia, and those two things will prevent you from getting pussy more than anything else

I have no BDD or incel content mate. I maybe know my UEE and cheekbone width could be improved? Or the shoulders measuraments?

Improving those would get you laid.

Or not?

are you a woman?

Nah man.

Totally agree on shortcuts.
@ TS : developing game takes a fuckton of efforts, for those of us like myself who don't have natural swag or great looks.
Until age 20 I was a fucking dork.
Age 25 it started clicking when I started to be bold.
Between 32 and 37 I peaked until no shit, my game was so on point that I started to read the girls in the room and figured out with minimal effort who was attracted to me. Those were ripe for the picking. In parallel, attractive girls started making advances themselves. i didn't have to do shit.

Moral of the story it is after literally decades of awkward situations, disapointments and humiliations that I discovered my game. You think you are skipping that shit with plastic surgery? LOL. Fuck back off to the back of the line like everyone else and work on yourself. Close your laptop and go to parties, bars, painting class, whatever. Be bold. That's the only way.

Work on yourself doesn’t help when online or even irl, there’s guys with better zygos, eyes or jaw or height than you.

Don’t hate the player, hate the game.

Also game and some other stuff might help with a decent one but not more. Many don’t give a shit what type of guy you are, at all.

Some get lucky since start, some spend thousands over risky facial surgeries to get laid, some inject steroids, some lookmax normally, some are in the middle.

We ain’t all the same I guess. The most extreme path has the highest return of investment.

 

[blackheart]

I have no BDD or incel content mate. I maybe know my UEE and cheekbone width could be improved? Or the shoulders measuraments?

Improving those would get you laid.

Or not?

Where are you picking up the hyperfocus on this stuff if not from incel/red pill content?

 

[I Fusion I]

Glad it was successful for you. I went to Kaiser for a deviated septum caused by a cartilage blockage as well as my nose being crooked. My crooked nose is weird because no one notices it unless I tell them but once I tell them, they can never unsee it again.

My doctor is cool as shit and was basically like I'll be real with you, there's no guarantee that the surgery will fix your deviated septum and straighten your nose. He said there's a small chance, but not a minute chance that the surgery will make my nose be the first thing people notice when they see me and that's not a good thing. He's like if you can live with the deviated septum issues, then he'd recommend it because even a 1% chance of failure with the surgery could have pretty bad aesthetic consequences.

I wound up just dealing with it to avoid the risk.

For some, it’s worth the risk. And also you can counter soft tissue surgery and implants, by removing / remodeling them.

 

[I Fusion I]

Where are you picking up the hyperfocus on this stuff if not from incel/red pill content?

I’ve researched about these stuff and how to fix / improve. Eyes are a mess to fix.

Cause of the lenght of eyes, distance, color, canthal tilt, eye support, sclera show. A good eye area or decent one, is 99% gonna make you decent or even good looking in woman’s eyes

Most zygos can be easily improved with lean face + BFR or implants.

I’ve got high set, so fat removal for hollowing seems an ok idea.

Height is not even worth considering at this point.

physique natty or with gear is possible.

I don’t believe in incel shit. Red Pill is exaggerated and mostly not correct but has some truth inside it, at face value not at full description.

It has not been harder for male to have success in history.

Black Pill is mostly nonsense but applies only to ugly, very very very good looking man and online stuff. Of course irl it’s not like that I guess.

But at the end if multiple procedures or blasting steroids is too much, what else can improve someone by a lot, and remove this shitty feeling.

Last time I dated was in 2023, I had some bad ones and don’t know and get anxious recently all cause of looks

 

[GergreG]

Hahaha. A shitload of people have provided plenty of good reasons not to do it and you're getting pissy. Just go and get it done, if you haven't already.

Edit... how tall are you?

 

[pinger]

You started it with eyes, now your onto cheekbones and shoulders already. You've also talked about height lengthening surgery.

Just stop

 

[blackheart]

I’ve researched about these stuff and how to fix / improve. Eyes are a mess to fix.

Cause of the lenght of eyes, distance, color, canthal tilt, eye support, sclera show. A good eye area or decent one, is 99% gonna make you decent or even good looking in woman’s eyes

Most zygos can be easily improved with lean face + BFR or implants.

I’ve got high set, so fat removal for hollowing seems an ok idea.

Height is not even worth considering at this point.

physique natty or with gear is possible.

I don’t believe in incel shit. Red Pill is exaggerated and mostly not correct but has some truth inside it, at face value not at full description.

It has not been harder for male to have success in history.

Black Pill is mostly nonsense but applies only to ugly, very very very good looking man and online stuff. Of course irl it’s not like that I guess.

But at the end if multiple procedures or blasting steroids is too much, what else can improve someone by a lot, and remove this shitty feeling.

Last time I dated was in 2023, I had some bad ones and don’t know and get anxious recently all cause of looks

Bro, you're so deep in the sauce of incel content that you don't even realize those things you're saying in the first 4 or 5 line breaks, that those talking points are all explicitly incel.

Young buck, I'm telling you as a 32 year old that's done some cycles, including injectable test, and as someone that's fresh out of the cycle of life that you're currently entering -

Do not do steroids

Do not get plastic surgery

Lift heavy weights, eat big, go through bulking and cutting cycles, sleep hard, 1000% consider joining an mma/bjj/boxing/muay thai gym, and deliberately work on feeling comfortable in your skin, believing in yourself, and chasing goals - goals on the weights, goals in bjj/boxing/etc.

Do those things and women will come as a byproduct of those things.

This is me, watching my 21 year old self starting my first cycle, and this is me reaching through space and time to you now:

Learn from our mistakes young blood and don't repeat the mistakes of the past.

Also for sure completely walk away from the incel content you're consuming brother.

 

[shunyata]

I can't stress this enough. The more friends you have and the more good guy persona you put out into the world the more opportunities you will get. Women are much more likely to give you a shot when you come recommended.

I can't pull a damn thing out in a bar by myself. But meeting women through a friend or company gathering and it's on.

Just like getting a job in Hollywood, it's all about those connections.

I met my wife when she was the roommate of one of my female friend's boyfriend and our first contact was at a multi party hippy weed deal. Asked her out on a group dinner and drinks outing with like six people afterwards because I thought she had a bigger % chance of saying yes to a group outing.

It went well so we left the group behind and spent the next few hours talking on the couch in bar / lounge area.

 

[shunyata]

I’ve researched about these stuff

Then your sources suck ass. We're telling you the truth in here and you're handwaving it away.

It has not been harder for male to have success in history.

100% bullshit, 85 years ago you could have been getting drafted and thrown into a world war.

Last time I dated was in 2023, I had some bad ones and don’t know and get anxious recently all cause of looks

2023 was two weeks ago bro, you need a therapist not a surgeon. Surgery does JACK SHIT for anxiety.


I don't know what your education level is but you sound dumb as fuck and childish, and I mean that in a sincere and caring way.


I guarantee you there are dudes that are worse looking than you, shorter than you, and poorer than you getting laid RIGHT NOW because they actually get out into the world and talk to women non stop. Shrug off rejection the way you're shrugging off good advise in this thread.

I know this because I grew up with a few of those guys. Do they have great lives now? No, but that's because they fucked their own shit up by cheating on the women who were way out of their league but loved them nonetheless.

You are worthy of love, but you need to start by loving yourself. Right now it comes across that you hate you, and that is not attractive.

 

[MDoza]

it aint gonna help your kids be any less ugly..

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

Lol superficial? Highest reward… also, there’s still gear or natty lifting and other things I can max after surgery.

If it doesn’t work, surgery again (if necessary) or work out a lot + play numbers game,



No social circle anymore unfortunately. Broke up with a lot of people this year.



I have no BDD or incel content mate. I maybe know my UEE and cheekbone width could be improved? Or the shoulders measuraments?

Improving those would get you laid.

Or not?



Nah man.



Work on yourself doesn’t help when online or even irl, there’s guys with better zygos, eyes or jaw or height than you.

Don’t hate the player, hate the game.

Also game and some other stuff might help with a decent one but not more. Many don’t give a shit what type of guy you are, at all.

Some get lucky since start, some spend thousands over risky facial surgeries to get laid, some inject steroids, some lookmax normally, some are in the middle.

We ain’t all the same I guess. The most extreme path has the highest return of investment.

Look, for the last time: you think it will help but it won't it will make things worse. Now let s say you have no value to women. After surgery you will have negative value to women. Stop with the high risk high reward BS. Obtain value by means literally everyone itt is telling you.

 

[evansusmc2]

Don't do it!!

Get in the gym and get chiseled.

The only time I agree with plastic surgery is when it's to correct birth deformities or deformities via accidents (car, dog attack, shark bite, etc etc).

 

[I Fusion I]

Don't do it!!

Get in the gym and get chiseled.

The only time I agree with plastic surgery is when it's to correct birth deformities or deformities via accidents (car, dog attack, shark bite, etc etc).

Why not both?

Bro, you're so deep in the sauce of incel content that you don't even realize those things you're saying in the first 4 or 5 line breaks, that those talking points are all explicitly incel.

Young buck, I'm telling you as a 32 year old that's done some cycles, including injectable test, and as someone that's fresh out of the cycle of life that you're currently entering -

Do not do steroids

Do not get plastic surgery

Lift heavy weights, eat big, go through bulking and cutting cycles, sleep hard, 1000% consider joining an mma/bjj/boxing/muay thai gym, and deliberately work on feeling comfortable in your skin, believing in yourself, and chasing goals - goals on the weights, goals in bjj/boxing/etc.

Do those things and women will come as a byproduct of those things.

This is me, watching my 21 year old self starting my first cycle, and this is me reaching through space and time to you now:

Learn from our mistakes young blood and don't repeat the mistakes of the past.

Also for sure completely walk away from the incel content you're consuming brother.

I’ll do gym but no reason to call me incel logic or that surgery is gonna make me regret it heavily?

2/3 procedures ain’t BDD level.

Look, for the last time: you think it will help but it won't it will make things worse. Now let s say you have no value to women. After surgery you will have negative value to women. Stop with the high risk high reward BS. Obtain value by means literally everyone itt is telling you.

Negative value based off what? Better looking = they like you.

Then your sources suck ass. We're telling you the truth in here and you're handwaving it away.



100% bullshit, 85 years ago you could have been getting drafted and thrown into a world war.

2023 was two weeks ago bro, you need a therapist not a surgeon. Surgery does JACK SHIT for anxiety.


I don't know what your education level is but you sound dumb as fuck and childish, and I mean that in a sincere and caring way.


I guarantee you there are dudes that are worse looking than you, shorter than you, and poorer than you getting laid RIGHT NOW because they actually get out into the world and talk to women non stop. Shrug off rejection the way you're shrugging off good advise in this thread.

I know this because I grew up with a few of those guys. Do they have great lives now? No, but that's because they fucked their own shit up by cheating on the women who were way out of their league but loved them nonetheless.

You are worthy of love, but you need to start by loving yourself. Right now it comes across that you hate you, and that is not attractive.

Well, why get rejected plenty and wait for luck when you can help your withstood? I ain’t dumb or anxious at all about this.

Hahaha. A shitload of people have provided plenty of good reasons not to do it and you're getting pissy. Just go and get it done, if you haven't already.

Edit... how tall are you?

5'8 3/4 I think.

You started it with eyes, now your onto cheekbones and shoulders already. You've also talked about height lengthening surgery.

Just stop

Eyes
Zygos / Cheeks

Maybe some minor touch on Jaw.

And natty lifting.

Shoulders / clavicle surgery is extremely hard

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

Why not both?



I’ll do gym but no reason to call me incel logic or that surgery is gonna make me regret it heavily?

2/3 procedures ain’t BDD level.



Negative value based off what? Better looking = they like you.



Well, why get rejected plenty and wait for luck when you can help your withstood? I ain’t dumb or anxious at all about this.



5'8 3/4 I think.



Eyes
Zygos / Cheeks

Maybe some minor touch on Jaw.

And natty lifting.

Shoulders / clavicle surgery is extremely hard

You won t be better looking you ll look weird.

 

[I Fusion I]

You won t be better looking you ll look weird.

That’s BDD and not planned surgery.

Most ones you don’t recognize or get an improvement.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

That’s BDD and not planned surgery.

Most ones you don’t recognize or get an improvement.

Whatever dude, do what you want. Not sure why you made this thread though.

 

[I Fusion I]

Whatever dude, do what you want. Not sure why you made this thread though.

Yeah, I'm probably sure on getting 2-3 major procedures, and keeping at the gym.

Did put a lot of effort and wasn’t more confident, didn’t get IOI (indicator of interest) and didn’t even manage to pull after that.

Heck, I'm not even trying now.

Need a quick change and drastic one.

 

[blaseblase]

Be sure to bump this in 2 years after you ignore everyone's advice, get plastic surgery, and still aren't getting laid.

 

[PBAC]

Being handsome tall and fit idk

Sorry

 

[pinger]

Yeah, I'm probably sure on getting 2-3 major procedures, and keeping at the gym.

Did put a lot of effort and wasn’t more confident, didn’t get IOI (indicator of interest) and didn’t even manage to pull after that.

Heck, I'm not even trying now.

Need a quick change and drastic one.

Indicator of interest? Jesus dude, way too much time on pickup forums