Social Is Plastic Surgery worth it?

[Fedorgasm]

Tom Cruise was already handsome? What? Dude looked like a rat in The Outsiders lol.

A big part of that may have been his teeth though. But with his mouth closed you don't think he was handsome?

 

[NoSmilez]

It's only worth it if you get the Korean ones that @Fengxian goes to. The people in American haven't quite figured out nice booba yet. They can't fuck with the face like the Koreans do.

 

[Jack Reacheround]

Very few women look better after getting shit down and even less men.

Yeah, everyone invariably looks way worse after plastic surgery. Though people who do really minimal things, like filing their nose down a bit or putting in a small chin implant, can look much better. But I think most people who get plastic surgery just can’t help but go way too far with it.

 

[Jack Reacheround]

But TS should get tits.

 

[GtehMVP]

Why effemminate? If I am not good enough naturally and need some help?

How self esteem and conversation can be trained?

You should really talk to a professional/therapist, someone you can go back and forth with in real time.

They can help you get to the core of your issues and give you the tools to overcome them.

I can't suggest that enough.

 

[Dogshare]

tales from the asylum mate. Don’t believe this story one bit.

Bald is a death sentence with woman (I’ll look into HT if Finastride doesn’t work) and 20s woman looks expectations and selectivity is insane.


What’s the secondary option? Compared to that? Why not change if you can recognize flaws, being unhappy and sad is worse and no amount of "believe and accept yourself" will make you more attractive

Of course confidence makes you attractive. Many times the less attractive man got the woman instead of the insecure more handsome man. Attractive is just one of the things that are liked, but it's not the end. If you think you need cosmic adjustments it means you probably have some other issues to solve.
Acceptance makes one also more attractive. Because if you accept your current situation you will be a much nicer person than when you cannot accept you getting older. Since being sad and unhappy is because you don't want to accept a certain thing. If you would accept it, there is no sadness.

You try to change everything around you to become happy, while the actual problem is in yourself. Even if you change everything around you so you can accept it, that change will not change yourself and will not last. So even if it would make you feel better, that feeling is based on a short term adjustment that will change again soon. And then the only option will be to have again cosmic changes and you will end look like many of them.

 

[StonedLemur]

It’s a suggestion but, it has a couple of things I am still debating about.

1. Actual surgeons that are both well versed in aesthetics and are willing to do stuff are very rare and the waiting lists just to get in touch with them are painfully long.

2. Getting multiple surgeries is pricey, risky

3. The effort is not guaranteed to give you results.

the realization that i have flaws and woman mostly and only care about looks, was god awfully bad.

Not below average, simply bland. It began to give me anxiety, my eyes especially and height are incredibly annoying. So I set out to fix it. After extensive research and debating whatever this or AAS are the options.. I think with knowledge someone can realistically accomplish his goals and maybe inspire some people to take that big step of investing into your appearance. My main focus is just to be better looking.

But at the same time, i'm not sure the risks are worth it atm, or it should be used as last resort, but for the sake of my life; I wanna get laid quickly (had a burnout) and bad experiences recently.

Eye surgery
Cheekbones surgery
And maybe some fillers/implants on jaw.

I think that probably can make a big difference, into my life (and relationship).

Not worth it in any way.

 

[shunyata]

Of course confidence makes you attractive. Many times the less attractive man got the woman instead of the insecure more handsome man. Attractive is just one of the things that are liked, but it's not the end. If you think you need cosmic adjustments it means you probably have some other issues to solve.
Acceptance makes one also more attractive. Because if you accept your current situation you will be a much nicer person than when you cannot accept you getting older. Since being sad and unhappy is because you don't want to accept a certain thing. If you would accept it, there is no sadness.

You try to change everything around you to become happy, while the actual problem is in yourself. Even if you change everything around you so you can accept it, that change will not change yourself and will not last. So even if it would make you feel better, that feeling is based on a short term adjustment that will change again soon. And then the only option will be to have again cosmic changes and you will end look like many of them.

Confidence + not being a douchebag are huge.

Even good looking guys with no confidence and good looking douchbags can still turn women off.

Seriously man, don't get cut by a butcher just hit the gym and pick up some social hobbies so you're out in the community meeting people. Don't ruthlessly hit on every girl you meet, just make a bunch of friends and socialize with them. Sooner or later you'll either run into miss right now and have experience chatting people up, or a couple you meet will set you up with their cute single friend.

Either way the point is that you got out in the world and met new people and kept doing it.

 

[Nigelbro]

There is nothing wrong with you bro.
Women are the most insecure and jealous creatures there are, that’s why they follow all of the weird cosmetic trends like lips and eyelashes. They are competing with each other.
They are not snubbing you, they always have other women in their peripheral vision checking out what other chicks are wearing etc etc.
They are better at disguising their insecurities than men.

If you’ve got a sister or cousin, the fatter & uglier the better, take her out on a “date”. Somewhere very public like a big game or a concert.
You will notice firstly women will start looking at her and then start looking at you differently, you’re not going to get laid on the first attempt but once you realise that female confidence is mostly contrived your confidence will grow on par with theirs.
This is also a good technique to identify shitty people who are not worth your time.

 

[TheTickG]

It’s a suggestion but, it has a couple of things I am still debating about.

1. Actual surgeons that are both well versed in aesthetics and are willing to do stuff are very rare and the waiting lists just to get in touch with them are painfully long.

2. Getting multiple surgeries is pricey, risky

3. The effort is not guaranteed to give you results.

the realization that i have flaws and woman mostly and only care about looks, was god awfully bad.

Not below average, simply bland. It began to give me anxiety, my eyes especially and height are incredibly annoying. So I set out to fix it. After extensive research and debating whatever this or AAS are the options.. I think with knowledge someone can realistically accomplish his goals and maybe inspire some people to take that big step of investing into your appearance. My main focus is just to be better looking.

But at the same time, i'm not sure the risks are worth it atm, or it should be used as last resort, but for the sake of my life; I wanna get laid quickly (had a burnout) and bad experiences recently.

Eye surgery
Cheekbones surgery
And maybe some fillers/implants on jaw.

I think that probably can make a big difference, into my life (and relationship).

Are you a woman? Might be worth considering.

Are you a man? Not worth it.

 

[Takes Two To Tango]

If I had to choose between confidence or looks. I'd take confidence every time.

 

[I Fusion I]

You should really talk to a professional/therapist, someone you can go back and forth with in real time.

They can help you get to the core of your issues and give you the tools to overcome them.

I can't suggest that enough.

Wouldn’t help me at all, unfortunately. Might help a bit on approach but not about looks.

Are you a woman? Might be worth considering.

Are you a man? Not worth it.

I am a man.

There is nothing wrong with you bro.
Women are the most insecure and jealous creatures there are, that’s why they follow all of the weird cosmetic trends like lips and eyelashes. They are competing with each other.
They are not snubbing you, they always have other women in their peripheral vision checking out what other chicks are wearing etc etc.
They are better at disguising their insecurities than men.

If you’ve got a sister or cousin, the fatter & uglier the better, take her out on a “date”. Somewhere very public like a big game or a concert.
You will notice firstly women will start looking at her and then start looking at you differently, you’re not going to get laid on the first attempt but once you realise that female confidence is mostly contrived your confidence will grow on par with theirs.
This is also a good technique to identify shitty people who are not worth your time.

Based off what, that would work? Who would care if someone takes out a normal or ugly girl?

Of course confidence makes you attractive. Many times the less attractive man got the woman instead of the insecure more handsome man. Attractive is just one of the things that are liked, but it's not the end. If you think you need cosmic adjustments it means you probably have some other issues to solve.
Acceptance makes one also more attractive. Because if you accept your current situation you will be a much nicer person than when you cannot accept you getting older. Since being sad and unhappy is because you don't want to accept a certain thing. If you would accept it, there is no sadness.

You try to change everything around you to become happy, while the actual problem is in yourself. Even if you change everything around you so you can accept it, that change will not change yourself and will not last. So even if it would make you feel better, that feeling is based on a short term adjustment that will change again soon. And then the only option will be to have again cosmic changes and you will end look like many of them.

Can’t be insecure if attractive cause you have validation.

Few cosmetic changes can be permanent, being said. So 2-3 times and you’re done with it.

Accepting my eyes would do nothing. You post on tinder or instagram and you don’t get reply or matches, because of looks

Not of confidences mentality and approach

 

[pinger]

Don't get plastic surgery.

Once you believe that your problems can be fixed by cosmetic changes, you will never stop.

Look at celebrities. Some if them rich, educated, succesful etc.

Do you think they don't know the plastic surgery makes them look ridiculous? Do you think they don't read the internet or the gossip columns with people laughing at them for their Botox?

Of course they do. But like you, if you don't deal with your insecurity and issues, you'll never be happy.

 

[Nigelbro]

Based off what, that would work? Who would care if someone takes out a normal or ugly girl?

When you are around other women, girls let their guard down as they don’t see you as a threat.
A smile or a brief chat is much easier for both you and them because the ice is already broken.

Ask the married guys on this forum if they get more attention because they are wearing a wedding ring.

The looks of the girl don’t matter I was just using that reference for experimental purposes.

If you have a hobby that a friend/family member enjoys then do that with them and people will see you in your natural habitat enjoying yourself. Chicks dig that and you will meet many more without trying.

 

[5crew]

But it’s worth ? For me yes cuz I do not see any other way out

You seems to be shooting down every single posters that points out confidence and keep going back to your dissatisfaction on your looks and how ladies feels that way too. So it seems you are not really looking at other opinions/suggestions.

Like my post you quoted, I mentioned, if you really feel the strong need to have plastic surgery, go ahead. No one should tell you otherwise. It's your life and choice afterall. Most of us are just telling you not all good looking guys get what you seems to be expecting.

 

[TheTickG]

Wouldn’t help me at all, unfortunately. Might help a bit on approach but not about looks.



I am a man.



Based off what, that would work? Who would care if someone takes out a normal or ugly girl?



Can’t be insecure if attractive cause you have validation.

Few cosmetic changes can be permanent, being said. So 2-3 times and you’re done with it.

Accepting my eyes would do nothing. You post on tinder or instagram and you don’t get reply or matches, because of looks

Not of confidences mentality and approach

Stop using tinder and Instagram.

 

[Goon Dog]

I had to get my eyelids done because they were drooping far enough to impede my vision. Not so much blocking the line of sight as much as blocking enough light from entering my eye. There were 2 different versions of the surgery and I chose the minimal procedure. Driving at night I sometimes wish I had done the other but I was paranoid I'd end up looking like Marty Feldman.

 

[I Fusion I]

Don't get plastic surgery.

Once you believe that your problems can be fixed by cosmetic changes, you will never stop.

Look at celebrities. Some if them rich, educated, succesful etc.

Do you think they don't know the plastic surgery makes them look ridiculous? Do you think they don't read the internet or the gossip columns with people laughing at them for their Botox?

Of course they do. But like you, if you don't deal with your insecurity and issues, you'll never be happy.

Nothings else except AAS improve your look and appareance drastically.

Also you can happily research and study the subject.

I had to get my eyelids done because they were drooping far enough to impede my vision. Not so much blocking the line of sight as much as blocking enough light from entering my eye. There were 2 different versions of the surgery and I chose the minimal procedure. Driving at night I sometimes wish I had done the other but I was paranoid I'd end up looking like Marty Feldman.

Are your eyelids better now? Did the surgery improve your aesthetic?

Stop using tinder and Instagram.

Where you meet?

You seems to be shooting down every single posters that points out confidence and keep going back to your dissatisfaction on your looks and how ladies feels that way too. So it seems you are not really looking at other opinions/suggestions.

Like my post you quoted, I mentioned, if you really feel the strong need to have plastic surgery, go ahead. No one should tell you otherwise. It's your life and choice afterall. Most of us are just telling you not all good looking guys get what you seems to be expecting.

Better looks = more confident? I guess

Being said, I was dealt a shit card in life I guess.

When you are around other women, girls let their guard down as they don’t see you as a threat.
A smile or a brief chat is much easier for both you and them because the ice is already broken.

Ask the married guys on this forum if they get more attention because they are wearing a wedding ring.

The looks of the girl don’t matter I was just using that reference for experimental purposes.

If you have a hobby that a friend/family member enjoys then do that with them and people will see you in your natural habitat enjoying yourself. Chicks dig that and you will meet many more without trying.

Oh I see. But at same time I struggle keeping friends etc making them atm either.

 

[TheTickG]

Nothings else except AAS improve your look and appareance drastically.

Also you can happily research and study the subject.



Are your eyelids better now? Did the surgery improve your aesthetic?



Where you meet?



Better looks = more confident? I guess

Being said, I was dealt a shit card in life I guess.



Oh I see. But at same time I struggle keeping friends etc making them atm either.

Before I got married, everywhere. Bars, restaurants, parks, stores, social gatherings, trains, etc.

 

[liner]

If this is real I feel sad for the op. if you can't get a girl already this will probably end up making your life worse. Or if you just aren't happy with the type of girl you can get, accept it and punch your weight cause this won't get you that "next level" . makes me remember there are a lot of people out there like this, and why plastic surgeons are rich. But it's women who are like this, since, fake tits work!