Is Oleksandr Usyk in your top 10 ATG rankings?

[SandisLL]

No, I don't rank usyk anywhere near the top 10 ATG. Not even top 10 all-time HW. But I would rank him top 5 all-time among cruiserweights ahead of juan carlos gomez.

I seen where paulie malignaggi had a YT post implying that usyk and ali are in the same league. And some other YT content creators are kinda hinting or just plain coming out and making the assertion that usyk is better than ali and that usyk is the greatest HW of all time and shit like that....reminds me of when ggg was campaigning and people would say he was better than hagler, joe louis and ali. HBO even once said ggg was the greatest MW of the past 25 years.

IMO if they compare usyk to ali, they smokin' the crack of butt.

Don't get me wrong. Usyk is probably a great fighter. but i don't think you can say exactly HOW great he is based on his accomplishments at CW and HW. The CW division has been weak since its inception. Standouts like holyfield, haye, toney, etc, didn't stick around long to bring any real visibility to that division. they all moved up to HW and they all won at least a version of the HW title. and it's not like usyk was a dominant CW champion. he struggled with breidis and bellew neither of whom is a HoFer. At HW, the comp was fury, AJ and dubois. All second-raters as far as i'm concerned. And i still think dubois deserved the KO win in the first fight.

This period wasn't weak CW era period. The same Usyk had prime shape undefeated in pro boxing opponents.
Definitely Briedis isn't HoFer and I think he doesn't care about HoF at all. What stuff you had expected? Usyk finishing Briedis in distance? No one ever had did this, nor in KB nor boxing...
Yes, Usyk barely had win vs Briedis and if it wasn't 12 rounder but 15 ...maybe might lost. However Briedis was a bit worse than Holyfield then. .a bit.
Plus Holy was better am boxer than Briedis, Briedis more was KBer....
Not to count in later later lazy versions...ofc.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

This period wasn't weak CW era period. The same Usyk had prime shape undefeated in pro boxing opponents.
Definitely Briedis isn't HoFer and I think he doesn't care about HoF at all. What stuff you had expected? Usyk finishing Briedis in distance? No one ever had did this, nor in KB nor boxing...
Yes, Usyk barely had win vs Briedis and if it wasn't 12 rounder but 15 ...maybe might lost. However Briedis was a bit worse than Holyfield then. .a bit.
Plus Holy was better am boxer than Briedis, Briedis more was KBer....
Not to count in later later lazy versions...ofc.

Huh? Briedis was better in the first half until Usyk took over in the second. Usyk is known for getting stronger the longer the fight goes and Briedis was slowing down. So, if that was a 15 rounder, Usyk likely would've separated himself from Briedis even more. He has better stamina.

 

[treelo]

Usyk is cementing his greatness in his mid-late 30s. Tyson was essentially done at his point.

I don't think there should be any comparison. Someone else was trying to talk up Usyk by talking down Tyson, citing the loss vs. Lennox Lewis as an example. Which is not only a terrible example when specifically discussing Tyson, but also when comparing him to Usyk. It's not like anyone here in this thread would be confident betting on Usyk vs. 2002 Lennox Lewis.

nope, a focused Lewis at any age is always going to be a problem for any fighter

i dont see why people have to put labels on fighters and rank them anymore, Usyk is the best of this generation, he has proven that, im looking forwards to the next wave of stars coming through the ranks to see who sits on top of the pile as well

 

[SandisLL]

Huh? Briedis was better in the first half until Usyk took over in the second. Usyk is known for getting stronger the longer the fight goes and Briedis was slowing down. So, if that was a 15 rounder, Usyk likely would've separated himself from Briedis even more. He has better stamina.

11 th and 12 th Briedis was more active than in 6-10 th.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

11 th and 12 th Briedis was more active than in 6-10 th.

Well yeah. Usyk put in the work to win most of the back half with the last couple rounds being split or going either way. Usyk actually trains for 15 rounders like the old-timers did even though today championship fights are only 12 rounds.

 

[treelo]

This period wasn't weak CW era period. The same Usyk had prime shape undefeated in pro boxing opponents.
Definitely Briedis isn't HoFer and I think he doesn't care about HoF at all. What stuff you had expected? Usyk finishing Briedis in distance? No one ever had did this, nor in KB nor boxing...
Yes, Usyk barely had win vs Briedis and if it wasn't 12 rounder but 15 ...maybe might lost. However Briedis was a bit worse than Holyfield then. .a bit.
Plus Holy was better am boxer than Briedis, Briedis more was KBer....
Not to count in later later lazy versions...ofc.

when you KB, are you referencing Kick Boxing?

i can barely understand what you are trying to articulate in 97% of your posts

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

when you KB, are you referencing Kick Boxing?

i can barely understand what you are trying to articulate in 97% of your posts

That's what he's referencing. Briedis used to be a full-contact European kickboxing champion and world level medalist.

 

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Mike didn't exactly do so hot when facing adversity.

He had already won everything by then

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

He had already won everything by then

Right, but that's no excuse.

 

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Right, but that's no excuse.

His goal had been reached. I think he beats anyone of them if he hadn't. He was a very consistent fighter with rooney. His nr of won rounds was very high. and he did have wars with Razor Ruddock that he won. So its not like he just fell apart if he got hit hard.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

There seems to be a lot of misinformation out there about Briedis. As a teen he started out as an amateur boxer, switched to kickboxing, and then back to boxing after turning pro in 2009. He used to be a police officer.

“I started boxing when I was 14 years old. Then I switched to kickboxing for some time with pretty good success, winning European Championships and finishing on the podium in the World Championships.

“It was very natural for me to later come back to the thing I liked more – boxing.”

Source

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

His goal had been reached. I think he beats anyone of them if he hadn't. He was a very consistent fighter with rooney. His nr of won rounds was very high. and he did have wars with Razor Ruddock that he won. So its not like he just fell apart if he got hit hard.

Mike had some dog in him but so does Dubois and Joshua. They were also in some wars and managed to come out the victor. Would you call either of them mentally strong? No. You wouldn't.

 

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Mike had some dog in him but so does Dubois and Joshua. They were also in some wars and managed to come out the victor. Would you call either of them mentally strong? No. You wouldn't.

They all ended up in the okey range. Mikes main problems were mental health, and/or not being in shape.

I think all fighters can be intimidated and underperform.

A mentally weak fighter in the true sense of the word is someone like Bert Cooper. Sonny Liston seemed apathetic, too.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

They all ended up in the okey range. Mikes main problems were mental health, and/or not being in shape.

I think all fighters can be intimidated and underperform.

A mentally weak fighter in the true sense of the word is someone like Bert Cooper. Sonny Liston seemed apathetic, too.

Even a mentally weak fighter can be strong on a given night but in other fights they may fold. It depends. I don't think any fighter has a shot at intimidating guys like Vitali or Usyk. Dubois tried it with Usyk and failed miserably (shoving him, yelling in his face, Don Charles trying to get under his skin, etc). Usyk never lost focus or acted out of character. Against Fury he had to face mindgames. He tried to beat Usyk in a staredown that lasted 11 minutes long. Once he realized that he'd be there all day with him he broke it off.

 

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Even a mentally weak fighter can be strong on a given night but in other fights they may fold. It depends. I don't think any fighter has a shot at intimidating guys like Vitali or Usyk. Dubois tried it with Usyk and failed miserably (shoving him, yelling in his face, Don Charles trying to get under his skin, etc). Usyk never lost focus or acted out of character. Against Fury he had to face mindgames. He tried to beat Usyk in a staredown that lasted 11 minutes long. Once he realized that he'd be there all day with him he broke it off.

Tyson Fury doesnt have any attributes to intidimate Usyk with.

It wasnt just a given night. Dubios had strong performance in several high stakes fights. He's alright. His struggles with Usyk are quite clearly the fact that he's too slow. too weak, too slow.

hes sort of the boxing equivalent of a bro lifter in the gym. Flashy ( at times) but no real substance underneath.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Tyson Fury doesnt have any attributes to intidimate Usyk with.

It wasnt just a given night. Dubios had strong performance in several high stakes fights. He's alright. His struggles with Usyk are quite clearly the fact that he's too slow. too weak, too slow.

hes sort of the boxing equivalent of a bro lifter in the gym. Flashy ( at times) but no real substance underneath.

Fury is great at playing mindgames like the sauna story he shared before he fought Wlad. He knows how to get to his opponents before they even enter the ring.

Dubois is too weak to beat Usyk? Yeah, mentally, but not physically. He isn't as quick as Usyk but ultimately timing beats speed and Dubois has good timing. Usyk just made it very difficult to time him in there. That's what the feints were for.

 

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Fury is great at playing mindgames like the sauna story he shared before he fought Wlad.

Wladimir klitchko is weaker mentally than all those guys you mentioned.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Wladimir klitchko is weaker mentally than all those guys you mentioned.

How's that? Dubois quit off a jab from a cruiserweight.

 

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How's that? Dubois quit off a jab from a cruiserweight.

Dubios got himself knocked out trying to pull off an upset. Wladimir klitchko threw 2 or 3 right hands in total against a guy who has no power, but somehow convinced him that he does.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Dubios got himself knocked out trying to pull off an upset. Wladimir klitchko threw 2 or 3 right hands in total against a guy who has no power, but somehow convinced him that he does.

No, that was a flat out quit job by Dubois not a real KO. Wlad got snakecharmed by Fury because he was told that he would KO him before the fight. Got into his head before the fight even began. Again, Fury is great at playing mindgames.