Is Jon Jones a weight bully at 205?

[Kha'bless]

Jones was noticeably bigger and had longer reach than ALL of his opponents, yes.

Only one come close is Gustafsson and Gustafsson had 79' reach, while Jones had 84,5', another gigantic difference.

Ngannou said Jones is the same size as him.



Ngannou has 83' reach, Jones's 84'5 reach is still even slightly longer than Ngannou's.

 

[Oceanmachine]

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Awesome chart

Pretty sure to be honest Jones is 6"3 & 1/2

Ciryl Gane has him on height and I am sure leg reach. And Ngannou seems closer to 6"5,

 

[chiefwiggum]

Well we are moving in that direction. Weight cutting isnt healthy and it is just logical to end it

a career of getting hit as hard as someone can in your head and body and trying to snap tear and ligaments isn’t either.

A garbage mans profession is more deadly as well as a window washer.

everybody knows what they’re getting into

instead of driving simply wear flashing neon. Do not tread pavement and navigate through field.

I knew a guy who smoked a cigarette and drank. It’s like. That’s dangerous why would anyone be allowed to do something they can and choose to do

we need an authoritarian on safety of the obvious. People choke on good results in so many deaths. It should be blended as fine as milk. And maybe fed by a professionalbgiving an iv at various points old of a day

I have a lot of retarded ideas as well

 

[DesiredUserName]

Never forget. Rashad Evans was right about Jon Jones.

 

[Stump]

Well hydration metabolic testing is science and cant be cheated. Fighters who fail hydration test are given X hours to rehydrate and then pass, failure to pass day of and day before means DQ and no salary.

You cant cheat this system Ben Askren talked about it on Joe Rogan. He was thinking how he could cheat it and he cant when he was with ONE. You could test 2 days before like ONE championship does, then also test day before and day of. In ONE if you pass 2 days before and day of you dont need to weigh in day of.

UFC could make it more elite by the same but also a weigh in day of.

Also HW and LHW already have large gaps Machida and many others weighed 205lbs to 215lbs to 220lbs. Then you had the massive LHW like DC, and Rampage coming in at 230 to 235lbs. But then Jones was 217lbs to 225lbs. Soooo it just weakens the sport and makes it ultimate baby not ultimate fighting if you have a weight class every 10lbs or 5lbs.

It seems you acknowledge that the 5lbs means less at higher weight classes which is why you are okay with a 55lb weight difference between LHW and HW and a 15lb difference between MW and LHW. But here is my point

Yes few would come in at 171lbs if not none would, most would be coming in at WW at 180 to 185lb max limit. With some in the high 170s but that is the point is a range exists. In ONE if you eliminate the weight cutting this also allows healthier more optimal fighters, weight cutting is proven to harm performance and be useless and it can be stopped.

Your 10lb gaps if you eliminate weight cutting of 150lb to 160lb also is plagued by the same issue.

Who will weigh in at 151lbs or 152lbs? Wont most weigh in at 158lbs and 159lbs? Etc?

Also we saw the most dominant WW, MWs ever were not the heaviest and neither were the best LHW.

At FW and BW it does seem the largest are the best but that seems to be inevitable given how much more each 1lb really matters at that low of a weight.

At HW the best HW have been middle tier and the arguable HW GOATS were 235lb to 245lbs.





Your 210lb limit range of 195lb to 210lb is a 15lb flucutation range. Not much different from WW to MW.

I think you just like the idea of more weight classes for some odd reason and you really want to cater to wvery small pound difference.

At HW you have guys who dominate who fight at the low 240s to high 240s. Then you have some elite guys as well who are 260lbs to 270lbs. Then gatekeepers who are 280lbs or even 290lbs and then the weaklings who are 235lbs etc or 230lbs who should be at LHW

Dude... that was a huge waste of words.

Obviously there is a difference between a 15 lb range and a 10.lb range...

And obviously the higher the weight class. The more the ranges can ve extended.

And obviously there are more humans who weigh from say 140 lbs to 180 lbs than there are 120lb humans or 200 lb humans, so there are more fighters there..
So there should ve more weightclasses there.

 

[RondoPG]

He's quicker than your average heavyweight and we would have been complaining that he should fight more athletic quicker guys

 

[Masturbin]

99% of non-HW's cut. A lot. California's fight night weights proved that.

Half the fighters cut 10% of more. DJ weight the same as Cody Garbrandt at UFC 227 ffs. Source.

But fans who call out a select few fighters they personally don't like (probably for issues not related to fighting) for something that most fighters do is stupid.

Don't be that guy. Don't be stupid.

Yeah I agree it's quite selective.
But some fighter deserve to be called out. Till at WW,Costa,Aspen Ladd,Rumble at Ww,Tj or Max Holloway

 

[Kvothe_the_kingkiller]

Yeah I agree it's quite selective.
But some fighter deserve to be called out. Till at WW,Costa,Aspen Ladd,Rumble at Ww,Tj or Max Holloway

Well, with a documented 10.7% cut, TJ is only an average weight cutter. And that's half the problem right there; he's failing the 'eye' test with some fans, and the facts don't always match that.

If you're curious, all the stats from CA fight night weights are all* here, under the first "Spoiler" button:

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/stats-on-fight-night-weights-4-events.4046629/

* I think there are now stats for 5 or 6 events, but that thread was written after 4.

 

[JinKazama]

dude was built to run 205

he should never have left

 

[BBMN]

He was not super heavy.
He was slightly heavy.
His main physical advantage was / is his weirdly long arms.
That and PEDs.
And eye pokes.
And some very favorable judging.

 

[theleerygoose]

how would Werdum ever be a bad matchup for Jones

Hes not, Jones is a bad matchup for him.

 

[BBMN]

dude was built to run 205

he should never have left

But...... he has been on the downside of his physical prime for years. And the newer guys are not small LHWs like was used to facing. They're quite large. So it's a double whammy for him to deal with. Realistically he understands his best years are gone, and the new guys are no joke. He didn't even understand how he got his hand raised against Reyes. He honestly was just as confused as most of us, and seemed to think he won on points with a 10-8 in the final round. Which didn't happen. I think once he realized the scores were weirdly in his favor, he decided to get out of 205.

By leaving LHW now, he may (just may) salvage what remains of his legacy at 205, while also setting him up for one or two "super fights" where he wins even if he loses. Wins money that is. At this stage it's the smartest thing do

 

[lefthighkick01]

Never forget. Rashad Evans was right about Jon Jones.

what did he say?

 

[thorcorm]

He has never missed weight. There is your answer.

He isn't Khabib or Till.

 

[Iron Nick]

No.

He was the perfect size for 205.