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Is Jon Jones a weight bully at 205?

Kyoto Machida?

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*Ryoto Machida. We need more info on this guy.

Also, Jones weighted 215 in California, where they weigh the fighters on fight day. Dude's calves and legs are skinny as shit. Even his upper body isn't all rocked up. His bench form is atrocious.
 
No, Cormier and Gustafson were both big 205ers. If there is any knock on Jones its the PEDS.
 
I'm not sure hydration test would work but even then, you're never gonna have a guy intentionally going in to a fight weighing 171lbs against an opponent weighing 185 lbs. That would be giving way too much of an advantage.

I dont agree that a 15 pound spread between 171 and 185 Is "close together." I think if your hydration test proposal works, even then those ranges need to be smaller or else we'll just have a similar problem; we'd have guys with 170lb frames either packing on too much muscle or cutting too much body mass to be at the top end or their weight class. Instead of dehydrating to ensure they are at the top, they'd be changing their bodies over the long term. Put simply, we would never see anyone weigh in at 171-180 pounds, say, so why bother having the ranges that big?

And more importantly, I would say, we as fans lose out on seeing athletes performing at their ideal weights. Human bodies come in a wide range of sizes/weights. It's silly to shoe horn them all into such wide categories.

150, 160, 170, 180, 195, 210, 265.

Or something similar. Close enough to what we've got, but a few more weight classes where they are needed most.

Well hydration metabolic testing is science and cant be cheated. Fighters who fail hydration test are given X hours to rehydrate and then pass, failure to pass day of and day before means DQ and no salary.

You cant cheat this system Ben Askren talked about it on Joe Rogan. He was thinking how he could cheat it and he cant when he was with ONE. You could test 2 days before like ONE championship does, then also test day before and day of. In ONE if you pass 2 days before and day of you dont need to weigh in day of.

UFC could make it more elite by the same but also a weigh in day of.

Also HW and LHW already have large gaps Machida and many others weighed 205lbs to 215lbs to 220lbs. Then you had the massive LHW like DC, and Rampage coming in at 230 to 235lbs. But then Jones was 217lbs to 225lbs. Soooo it just weakens the sport and makes it ultimate baby not ultimate fighting if you have a weight class every 10lbs or 5lbs.

It seems you acknowledge that the 5lbs means less at higher weight classes which is why you are okay with a 55lb weight difference between LHW and HW and a 15lb difference between MW and LHW. But here is my point

Yes few would come in at 171lbs if not none would, most would be coming in at WW at 180 to 185lb max limit. With some in the high 170s but that is the point is a range exists. In ONE if you eliminate the weight cutting this also allows healthier more optimal fighters, weight cutting is proven to harm performance and be useless and it can be stopped.

Your 10lb gaps if you eliminate weight cutting of 150lb to 160lb also is plagued by the same issue.

Who will weigh in at 151lbs or 152lbs? Wont most weigh in at 158lbs and 159lbs? Etc?

Also we saw the most dominant WW, MWs ever were not the heaviest and neither were the best LHW.

At FW and BW it does seem the largest are the best but that seems to be inevitable given how much more each 1lb really matters at that low of a weight.

At HW the best HW have been middle tier and the arguable HW GOATS were 235lb to 245lbs.





Your 210lb limit range of 195lb to 210lb is a 15lb flucutation range. Not much different from WW to MW.

I think you just like the idea of more weight classes for some odd reason and you really want to cater to wvery small pound difference.

At HW you have guys who dominate who fight at the low 240s to high 240s. Then you have some elite guys as well who are 260lbs to 270lbs. Then gatekeepers who are 280lbs or even 290lbs and then the weaklings who are 235lbs etc or 230lbs who should be at LHW
 
Jones was noticeably bigger and had longer reach than ALL of his opponents, yes.

Only one come close is Gustafsson and Gustafsson had 79' reach, while Jones had 84,5', another gigantic difference.

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Ngannou said Jones is the same size as him.



Ngannou has 83' reach, Jones's 84'5 reach is still even slightly longer than Ngannou's.


I swore originally Ngannou was 83.5,

Gustafsson had longer leg reach. I remember UFC measured them, it explains also why Gust used the leg kicks well
 
Weight bully Johnny Owen. He’s tall and thin.
It’s not the height or reach. It’s the man.
 
Well hydration metabolic testing is science and cant be cheated. Fighters who fail hydration test are given X hours to rehydrate and then pass, failure to pass day of and day before means DQ and no salary.

You cant cheat this system Ben Askren talked about it on Joe Rogan. He was thinking how he could cheat it and he cant when he was with ONE. You could test 2 days before like ONE championship does, then also test day before and day of. In ONE if you pass 2 days before and day of you dont need to weigh in day of.

UFC could make it more elite by the same but also a weigh in day of.

Also HW and LHW already have large gaps Machida and many others weighed 205lbs to 215lbs to 220lbs. Then you had the massive LHW like DC, and Rampage coming in at 230 to 235lbs. But then Jones was 217lbs to 225lbs. Soooo it just weakens the sport and makes it ultimate baby not ultimate fighting if you have a weight class every 10lbs or 5lbs.

It seems you acknowledge that the 5lbs means less at higher weight classes which is why you are okay with a 55lb weight difference between LHW and HW and a 15lb difference between MW and LHW. But here is my point

Yes few would come in at 171lbs if not none would, most would be coming in at WW at 180 to 185lb max limit. With some in the high 170s but that is the point is a range exists. In ONE if you eliminate the weight cutting this also allows healthier more optimal fighters, weight cutting is proven to harm performance and be useless and it can be stopped.

Your 10lb gaps if you eliminate weight cutting of 150lb to 160lb also is plagued by the same issue.

Who will weigh in at 151lbs or 152lbs? Wont most weigh in at 158lbs and 159lbs? Etc?

Also we saw the most dominant WW, MWs ever were not the heaviest and neither were the best LHW.

At FW and BW it does seem the largest are the best but that seems to be inevitable given how much more each 1lb really matters at that low of a weight.

At HW the best HW have been middle tier and the arguable HW GOATS were 235lb to 245lbs.





Your 210lb limit range of 195lb to 210lb is a 15lb flucutation range. Not much different from WW to MW.

I think you just like the idea of more weight classes for some odd reason and you really want to cater to wvery small pound difference.

At HW you have guys who dominate who fight at the low 240s to high 240s. Then you have some elite guys as well who are 260lbs to 270lbs. Then gatekeepers who are 280lbs or even 290lbs and then the weaklings who are 235lbs etc or 230lbs who should be at LHW


how about if you agree to make a weight and make it your good to go.

you want to introduce bullshit into the sport to complicate things.

If you make the weight fight at it. If you can’t don’t.
Pretty basic shit b
 
I dont think Jon obviously beats Stipe. Ymmv
 
how about if you agree to make a weight and make it your good to go.

you want to introduce bullshit into the sport to complicate things.

If you make the weight fight at it. If you can’t don’t.
Pretty basic shit b

Well we are moving in that direction. Weight cutting isnt healthy and it is just logical to end it
 
He's just like Thomas Hitman Hearns, his extremely skinny legs always him to fight at weight class lower than normal
 
Killing yourself because you're scared to fight a man your size deserves to be called like that
99% of non-HW's cut. A lot. California's fight night weights proved that.

Half the fighters cut 10% of more. DJ weight the same as Cody Garbrandt at UFC 227 ffs. Source.

But fans who call out a select few fighters they personally don't like (probably for issues not related to fighting) for something that most fighters do is stupid.

Don't be that guy. Don't be stupid.
 
But fans who call out a select few fighters they personally don't like (probably for issues not related to fighting) for something that most fighters do is stupid.

Jon is "omg too big!!!" for LHW yet no one said a peep about Cormier cutting 30 lbs. to make 205 or cheating on the scale. Sherdog gonna Sherdog.
 
Well we are moving in that direction. Weight cutting isnt healthy and it is just logical to end it
I wish we would. But I don't believe we are. All evidence suggests we are not.

California made a valiant effort in the last 5 years to make positive change around weight cuts. They got no support whatsoever. No other states joined them, and UFC didn't help them.

Maybe if (when?) someone dies and conventional wisdom says the weight cut was the cause, something will change. I don't see anything happening until then.
 
Maybe but Glover is fighting for a title.

I will say that Jiri is physically the most impressive LHW I've seen since Jones. He's massive with long limbs.
 
i have bad news, TS. Nobody will read your post completely, you wasted your time. Don't try to sound like you dont care because we all know the truth

better luck next time, bud

Considering I enjoy writing, and you at least visited the thread and posted on it, I believe that’s enough for me.
I could have at least started some new paragraphs and maybe hit enter to give space between subjects though, I didn’t realize it would look so bad on the site as well as on mobile.
 
Jon is "omg too big!!!" for LHW yet no one said a peep about Cormier cutting 30 lbs. to make 205 or cheating on the scale. Sherdog gonna Sherdog.
Right.

Fans only accuse fighters they don't like for other reasons of this. And most of those fighters are not the biggest offenders.

Guess who the biggest offenders are (that we have proof of)?
  • Aspen Ladd 18.0%
  • Manny Bermudez 17.7%
  • Sheymon de Silva Moraes 17.0%
  • Sodiq Yusuff 16.7%
  • Alex Perez 16.3%
 
I wish we would. But I don't believe we are. All evidence suggests we are not.

California made a valiant effort in the last 5 years to make positive change around weight cuts. They got no support whatsoever. No other states joined them, and UFC didn't help them.

Maybe if (when?) someone dies and conventional wisdom says the weight cut was the cause, something will change. I don't see anything happening until then.

Woah really? Wonder why the UFC wont. But they supported USADA which is overkill
 
Woah really? Wonder why the UFC wont. But they supported USADA which is overkill
They just don't care. Doesn't help the bottom line.

Drug testing with the AC's was a headache. They gladly paid a few million bucks per year just to put that headache on someone else, and make it appear the sport is more legit / clean.

Generic sports fans get the PED issue. So "cleaning up the sport" was great optics. Systemic weight cuts is too obscure for most.
 
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