Is Jake Paul an above average boxer?

[Takes Two To Tango]

Look at the guys he's boxed thus far.

I don't like the guy, but I respect him enough now as a boxer. I think he's above average, though he's extremely selective.

 

[HolmeZy55]

Look at the guys he's boxed thus far.

Yeah let's look, 11 fights, 6 of which were washed and old MMA fighters, one was a former NBA player and another was a youtuber most of whom can't box for shit themselves and or like at all.

Out of the three boxers he beat, 2 were complete bums in Bourland and August (no real shame there, at least they were boxers) and really the only guy on the list with any actual skill and that is being kind is Fury whom he lost to.

So no, he is not above average, he is actually quite a poor boxer himself it's just that he won't fight anyone that can expose those flaws of which there are many.

 

[Takes Two To Tango]

Yeah let's look, 11 fights, 6 of which were washed and old MMA fighters, one was a former NBA player and another was a youtuber most of whom can't box for shit themselves and or like at all.

Out of the three boxers he beat, 2 were complete bums in Bourland and August (no real shame there, at least they were boxers) and really the only guy on the list with any actual skill and that is being kind is Fury whom he lost to.

So no, he is not above average, he is actually quite a poor boxer himself it's just that he won't fight anyone that can expose those flaws of which there are many.

You got a valid point.

Would love to see Jake Paul box Ben Whittaker. That would be interesting.

 

[HolmeZy55]

Would love to see Jake Paul box Ben Whittaker. That would be interesting.

Jake wouldn't dare fight an actual talented prospect like Whittaker or Hedges whom I actually mentioned in one of these threads, both of them would take Paul to school and make him look stupid.

Now granted both have way more experience due to their times as amateurs but still that would never happen, Jake only fights guys he knows he can beat, he already made that mistake once with Fury and he won't make it again.

 

[Takes Two To Tango]

Jake wouldn't dare fight an actual talented prospect like Whittaker or Hedges whom I actually mentioned in one of these threads, both of them would take Paul to school and make him look stupid.

Now granted both have way more experience due to their times as amateurs but still that would never happen, Jake only fights guys he knows he can beat, he already made that mistake once with Fury and he won't make it again.

Do you think Mike Tyson has a good chance if they box? Or he's just too old?

 

[GolovKing]

Well what is the average boxer? We only know of the actual good boxers, there's a lot of tomato cans out there too

 

[Takes Two To Tango]

Well what is the average boxer? We only know of the actual good boxers, there's a lot of tomato cans out there too

We're talking about professional boxers in general. Would you consider Jake Paul an above average professional boxer at this point?

 

[StopDucking]

Some of you have shit in your eyes. The only Jake Paul fight I watched was against Tommy Fury and he got absolutely clowned on by a below-average boxer. He’s not above average, he’s below below average.

For the record, Tommy Fury is ranked at #98 at CW on Boxrec. Not #9, not #8, but #98. Get a clue.

 

[GolovKing]

We're talking about professional boxers in general. Would you consider Jake Paul an above average professional boxer at this point?

Well I don't know but he's probably above average in that sense. The boxing matches everyone here watches week to week are only the elite guys who make up very small percentage of pro boxing. I think out of every guy in the US who is active and has a pro card and is around Jake's size, Jake could probably beat more than half of them I would think

 

[HolmeZy55]

Do you think Mike Tyson has a good chance if they box? Or he's just too old?

Mike is 60yrs old dude, he didn't even look good in his last pro bout and that was like 20 years ago.

You can't escape age, shit I am not even sure Mike can make it to fight day, I think heavy training alone will send him to the hospital.

 

[SalvadorAllende]

Well what is the average boxer? We only know of the actual good boxers, there's a lot of tomato cans out there too

Exactly. There are thousands of professional boxers.. most of them are cans. Jake must be better than most of them. I don't see much point to "above average" or "below average" discussions without any context.

Can Jake beat a top 50 fighter? a top 100? a top 300? what is his ceiling? That is a better question.

I think the kid put a lot of effort but you either have it or not.. and he does not. He compensates with his hard work and dedication and maybe some PEDs but he does not have the talent.
Guys like Wilder (boxing) and Cyril Gane (MT and MMA) managed to go to the top starting their sports in their 20s.. that is talent. In Gane case he also half assed his entire career.

I have trained combat sports for 20 years (I'm 37) and I became pretty good at it at some point... for an amateur level. The difference between myself and the pro guys was laughable. It wasn't something I could train for.. they just born to be better than me at that specific sport.

 

[Kowboy On Sherdog]

Well... I can think of another boxer that started his career 10-1 , Loma.

 

[StopDucking]

Well... I can think of another boxer that started his career 10-1 , Loma.

Lomachenko is worse than 10-0 Tommy Fury, according to this guy right here.

 

[GolovKing]

Exactly. There are thousands of professional boxers.. most of them are cans. Jake must be better than most of them. I don't see much point to "above average" or "below average" discussions without any context.

Can Jake beat a top 50 fighter? a top 100? a top 300? what is his ceiling? That is a better question.

I think the kid put a lot of effort but you either have it or not.. and he does not. He compensates with his hard work and dedication and maybe some PEDs but he does not have the talent.
Guys like Wilder (boxing) and Cyril Gane (MT and MMA) managed to go to the top starting their sports in their 20s.. that is talent. In Gane case he also half assed his entire career.

I have trained combat sports for 20 years (I'm 37) and I became pretty good at it at some point... for an amateur level. The difference between myself and the pro guys was laughable. It wasn't something I could train for.. they just born to be better than me at that specific sport.

Yea and maybe even more impressive than those names you mentioned. Sergio Martinez started boxing when he was 20 about the same age as Jake when he started boxing and he became champion at middleweight, way harder to do than at heavyweight. I think Jake has some physical ability, certainly above average power and shows a decent chin but I don't think he really has a mind for boxing. I don't think he really understands or is disciplined enough to understand the footwork and all the little details. He just knows power and seems to surround himself with mostly yes men

 

[SalvadorAllende]

Yea and maybe even more impressive than those names you mentioned. Sergio Martinez started boxing when he was 20 about the same age as Jake when he started boxing and he became champion at middleweight, way harder to do than at heavyweight. I think Jake has some physical ability, certainly above average power and shows a decent chin but I don't think he really has a mind for boxing. I don't think he really understands or is disciplined enough to understand the footwork and all the little details. He just knows power and seems to surround himself with mostly yes men

Oh yeah.. Sergio Maravilla was amazing! He pops in my youtube since he is doing that these days. He was a national hero for a minute here.

Jake has all the resources in the world and I think he is really trying. But the most disciplined and best trained Jake Paul in the world can't hold a candle to a guy like Martinez.

Some people would argue Paul can't be elite because he started boxing late in his life and would put examples like Lomachenko, Mayweather, etc.. that have been surrounded by boxing their entire life.
There is this thing called survivorship bias.. we only see the guys that make it. But for every Loma, Mayweather, etc. there are hundreds of guys that failed. Jake would be one of the if not for his previous popularity and handpicked matchmaking.

 

[Mujeriego]

Look at the guys he's boxed thus far.

I don't like the guy, but I respect him enough now as a boxer. I think he's above average, though he's extremely selective.

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It showed how piss poor MMA fighters really are at fighting. That's what The Jake Experience has brought us.

 

[treelo]

i think its shown us more just how shit MMA fighters are at boxing, so its kind of nice a youtuber is doing that

 

[Corona]

Lmao at the goat Paul hate on this forum. He should further solidify his record with a boxing match against BJ Penn imo

 

[GOATtalks]

Some of you have shit in your eyes. The only Jake Paul fight I watched was against Tommy Fury and he got absolutely clowned on by a below-average boxer. He’s not above average, he’s below below average.

For the record, Tommy Fury is ranked at #98 at CW on Boxrec. Not #9, not #8, but #98. Get a clue.

There are more 1200 ranked pro boxers at CW. So both Fury and Jake aren’t just above average, they’re actually in top 10% of their weight class. And being ranked #8 doesn’t mean a fighter is above average, it means that he’s elite

 

[GOATtalks]

It showed how piss poor MMA fighters really are at fighting. That's what The Jake Experience has brought us.

Really? Ngannou arguably beat Fury, Artem Lobov of all people beat Paulie Malignaggi, Anderson beat Julio Chavez Jr.

Why is it so hard to admit that Jake isn’t bad at all?