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is it "wrong" to sleep with a married person?

Is it "wrong" to sleep with a married person?


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i havent seen one bad piece of advice from you in all the years ive posted here. i think generally people dont know enough about you because you dont really post in a way that attracts a lot of attention seeking such as arguing or name calling with people who disagree with you. more people should start to take notice because you always give solid advice.

Nice of you to say. I do argue some, I get a little more confrontational in the War Room occasionally. And I am wrong from time to time like everyone. In fact I will be having the sig you see below until the next presidential election (that's right, I lost a 4 year sig bet) because of just how dead wrong I was about what our election result would be. Hilarious. I love to laugh at my own follies. I wish I has as deep an understanding of politics as I do women and life.
 
Nice of you to say. I do argue some, I get a little more confrontational in the War Room occasionally. And I am wrong from time to time like everyone. In fact I will be having the sig you see below until the next presidential election (that's right, I lost a 4 year sig bet) because of just how dead wrong I was about what our election result would be. Hilarious. I love to laugh at my own follies. I wish I has as deep an understanding of politics as I do women and life.
hehe well forgiven as women and relationships seem to be your area of expertise:)
 
I still view divorce as a massive failure tbh. Unless there are serious reasons for it ending, like abusive behavoir and that sort of thing, I just . . . Idk. When I think about who I'd like to be with I don't think I'd like to date somebody that has been divorced. To me marriage means a life time commitment, and if they already hopped outta one, I'm weary of how committed they are or are going to be in the future when things start getting tough. Lol I have an aunt that's been married four times . . . Why even bother after like, the third? Lol. It's rude of me but why would anybody want to marry a person that's been divorced that many times? Idk man. She plans to get married again to her current guy.

If I get married I wanna see that shit through. Easy to say, no doubt, but it's at least the attitude I wanna go into it with.

To be fair though, I see a lot of men that are lazy and neglectful as fuck towards their relationships, so it's not all on women. Men need to shape up too. I mean ofc for a relationship to work both people need to be carrying their weight and putting in the effort.

Yeah I do too. My marriage falling apart hit me hard because I had zero say in it. She just decided she wanted out and wanted no part of trying to work it out at all.

With so many people being divorced these days you have to look into why they got divorced imo.


Then of course you'll be getting their side of the story.
 
Sir, I am your fan.

About the bolded part, I think it's very interesting what you say and I never really thought about it. Over the years it gradually inverted for us. He's become more needy while I'm the one pushing for sex most of the time.

Yeah cooks keeps a low profile but has been one of the best posters here for a long time now. Always gives good advice.

Sorry for the challenges of you and yours bro. Hopefully that fact that there are a lot of posters in the thread having terrific relationships will give you hope.

One thing I would strongly encourage you and your mates to do is get off this 'men vs women', women get bored and bail, men get screwed in divorces merry-go-round. I'm not arguing with any of it. Nor am I suggesting that there is not truth to a lot of it. But I am suggesting that it's not productive and it's not a good frame of mind in which to go through life. You will not be able to keep the tension, suspicion, and cynicism from manifesting in ways that will put up barriers to better opportunities with better women.

It brings me no pleasure to tell you, but this value set is probably attracting the type of women prone to disappoint you.

Let each woman that comes to you have their own clean slate. A completely new account in which they can make their own deposits and withdrawals. You will end up finding what you want.



Mistaking kindness for weakness is not isolated to women. Men do that too. Sometimes people are just socially unaware, or had sheltered upbringings, and the behavior can be modified. I have told women I have dated in the past (thankfully never had to tell my wife) they are confusing my kindness with weakness, and they need to learn the difference, or I would have to stop being kind.

You can't really teach a person the difference. You can only alert them to the problem and give them the chance to learn the difference on their own.

I will admit though there is also a certain kind of person out there that has a genuine pathology that fits the issues you describe in your relationship. The 'give 'em an inch, they take a mile' type. There are people out there that will do just that. And you can be in a perfectly harmonious relationship with them. All you have to do is never give them an inch. I'm sure you have seen these kinds of relationships where it seems like one person is constantly a dick to the other one, yet that other person is quite content and has a perfectly healthy self esteem. They just like to be micromanaged and dominated. And they will push on you until you either do that or the relationship ends. Here is the money question though- Is that how you want to go through life. Some guys love being that way. Too much effort for me. I find balance works better in the long run.

Yeah I realize I probably sound like I hate women in these threads but I really don't. I don't think men are any better, I just don't have to date men.


I know there are great women out there but I don't meet them, and I'm honestly in no position to attract or keep that kind of woman anyway.


It doesn't help to see that my friends, who I think are objectively better people than I am, can't make it work either.


Mostly though it's the fact that my ex wife seems to have permanently broken me in terms of relationships.

So I'll try to work on getting the rest of my life in order for now. It's been a very long time since we split and I wouldn't be shocked if I never dated again.
 
This sounds so logical and is how I've approached it, and how some of my friends have approached it.


I can say for us it's only given them an inflated ego and made them feel like they had "won" the relationship, and lead to us getting taken for granted since they didn't feel like we "deserved" them.


Many women constantly push for power and control in the relationship but they don't WANT it, they want you to fight them for it.


Essentially they take that doting affection as a sign of weakness


There should be a balance. Constantly needing to reassure the person you're with is taxing. On the other hand, ignoring basic needs and so on can be taxing in the opposite direction.

I think time and familiarity inevitably lead to complacency, so to state the obvious here: the longer a relationship plays out, the more alot of these things dull on you. That's why imo there has to be more than just attraction and kind words for a relationship to stay on course over time imo. You have to have common ground in other areas as well such as general decision making and so on.

I think in the long run, too many people settle with who they end up with and that leads to shit down the road. I've dated a lot -more than the average person- because I'm not only picky myself, but I'm a pain in the ass to deal with too. But I refused to settle and as a result wound up finding a chick that I match up really well with. I find that most people don't do this type of thing, they just sort of wind up with someone -then wonder how it all turned on them when shit goes south.

So much of this comes down to understanding yourself too. I mean, if you get married at 21 or 22 years old, how much can you really say you know about yourself at that point? Now subtract that from the person you just married. Yeah, good luck with that.
 
This this this. Show love and attention to your lady. Tell her you love her often. Tell her she's hot, beautiful, etc often. Tell her you're lucky to have her and that she chose YOU to be her husband. Tell her you want her and need her and no one else and she'll feel good about herself and your marriage together and she'll never stray.

I don't know about this but what I do know is a man that's been married for 30+ years. I met him as I was getting divorced after mere months. I asked him what the key was and he explained that about every 5 years or so they take a year off. I said "what do you mean a year off?" and he told me that they get to go fuck other people for a year every 5 years. Still married. Now it's probably more like 40 years. I think it's whatever works for the two of you.
 
There should be a balance. Constantly needing to reassure the person you're with is taxing. On the other hand, ignoring basic needs and so on can be taxing in the opposite direction.

I think time and familiarity inevitably lead to complacency, so to state the obvious here: the longer a relationship plays out, the more alot of these things dull on you. That's why imo there has to be more than just attraction and kind words for a relationship to stay on course over time imo. You have to have common ground in other areas as well such as general decision making and so on.

I think in the long run, too many people settle with who they end up with and that leads to shit down the road. I've dated a lot -more than the average person- because I'm not only picky myself, but I'm a pain in the ass to deal with too. But I refused to settle and as a result wound up finding a chick that I match up really well with. I find that most people don't do this type of thing, they just sort of wind up with someone -then wonder how it all turned on them when shit goes south.

So much of this comes down to understanding yourself too. I mean, if you get married at 21 or 22 years old, how much can you really say you know about yourself at that point? Now subtract that from the person you just married. Yeah, good luck with that.

Yeah I agree with this. A lot if people just end up with someone and try to make it work.


If there's chemistry and attraction then bonus. But chemistry and attraction aren't enough.


It takes honesty, communication, loyalty, and a lot of overlap in personality and goals. Most people don't have all of that.
 
No. It's always 100% the fault of the person who's married/in a relationship if the other person is single.
 
I don't know about this but what I do know is a man that's been married for 30+ years. I met him as I was getting divorced after mere months. I asked him what the key was and he explained that about every 5 years or so they take a year off. I said "what do you mean a year off?" and he told me that they get to go fuck other people for a year every 5 years. Still married. Now it's probably more like 40 years. I think it's whatever works for the two of you.

Huh. That's interesting. I wonder if they still fuck each other in that year too. It sounds by off that means not. If it works for them, who am I to say different?

As for me, I don't think that would work for me. I don't think I could look at my wife the same way or have as strong of a bond as we do if she was getting stuffed with other guys' cocks and then coming back to me afterwards. Even if it was a cheating thing that I didn't agree to I'm pretty sure I'd sense something was off and find out eventually.

We've discussed threesomes together with both girls and guys, but both of us know that jealousy would almost definitely be an issue. She can't stand the thought of another girl even touching me let alone look at me, and I have the same feelings thinking of her in that scenario as well. We've both had our fun before we met and so now being together means we're exclusive. Involving other people is what Chaturbate's for lol. That's our outlet, one way we spice things up.
 
I'm surprised by the very righteous tone of some of the "yes it's always wrong" posts. Are things really that simple? What if a partner isn't there in some significant way - works long hours or travels a lot, gives all his or her attention to the kids, doesn't have the same sexual needs? Does an unsatisfied partner just accept a measure of unhappiness? Does masturbation count as cheating? What about watching porn? If those things are OK, what's really so wrong with wriggling your naked body against another person's?
 
Huh. That's interesting. I wonder if they still fuck each other in that year too. It sounds by off that means not. If it works for them, who am I to say different?

As for me, I don't think that would work for me. I don't think I could look at my wife the same way or have as strong of a bond as we do if she was getting stuffed with other guys' cocks and then coming back to me afterwards. Even if it was a cheating thing that I didn't agree to I'm pretty sure I'd sense something was off and find out eventually.

We've discussed threesomes together with both girls and guys, but both of us know that jealousy would almost definitely be an issue. She can't stand the thought of another girl even touching me let alone look at me, and I have the same feelings thinking of her in that scenario as well. We've both had our fun before we met and so now being together means we're exclusive. Involving other people is what Chaturbate's for lol. That's our outlet, one way we spice things up.

I'm not sure about relations during that year but they definitely lived as parents and friends because they had 3 kids, 1 of which was only 4 when I met the guy. He said they've always gotten along but it was good for their relationship.

I agree with you though. Not for me if I'm married, for the same reasons.
 
Mostly though it's the fact that my ex wife seems to have permanently broken me in terms of relationships.

So I'll try to work on getting the rest of my life in order for now. It's been a very long time since we split and I wouldn't be shocked if I never dated again.

Dude, few things fuck with a guy more than getting put through the ringer by a lady they loved. You look at yourself in the mirror and don't even recognize the image as you. It's a mangled distorted version of you. It's acceptable to be a mess- for a little while.

There is such a stigma associated with getting professional help in the US, that when people start slipping a little bit, they try to 'fix their own car' from a mental and emotional standpoint, rather than going to a mechanic. And that's fine if you have a high aptitude in that area. But if you don't, you end up 'making the car worse' or just driving around with the escalating small problems until the 'car breaks down'. People give their cars oil changes every 3-4 thousand miles. But they typically give their minds and brains an oil change every never.

You might benefit greatly from a little therapy.

There is a high incidence of mental illness in my wife's family. Her brother is severely mentally ill, and has been institutionalized several times. Even though she does not really have any 'issues' she goes to a therapist every 2 weeks anyway as a way of mental and emotional maintenance. We joke about it constantly because when I ask her what her therapist told her about something specific, she almost always says, 'the same thing you always tell me' :)

Getting your shit together when your life is in disarray can seem like a daunting task. Starting small and then expanding really builds momentum. Here is a tool I have given employees and friends that is simple (which is not the same as easy) to implement. I did not invent this, just heard it on my travels or read about it somewhere and it resonated and worked for me in more challenging periods.

Draw a mental circle around yourself. A really tiny circle. Barely bigger than your body. With a circle this small, you can pretty much take TOTAL CONTROL of what goes on in that circle. Make sure that what ever happens inside that circle is done exclusively for your betterment. What goes in your body (food, booze, and drug choices) what goes into your mind (is it educational and inspirational, or is it banal and unhelpful) what you do with your body (productive things like work, exercise, other productive activities, or are you inert?).

Focus all your improvement efforts in this small circle. Don't expand the circle until you have complete mastery of the small circle. For it is your mastery of this small circle that gives you the tools you need as the circle expands. As the circle expands, you will not have total control of things, you will only have varying degrees of influence. The more you have mastered the small circle, the better able you are to exert your influence in the larger ones. Your relationships are typically in this larger circle.

There is a still larger circle out there of things that may interest or concern you. But even if you exert all your control and influence, you are still unlikely to make a dent, as these are things where the outcome is determined by an aggregate (climate change, election results). So after you have exerted your control (recycled, or given personal time- for example) and your influence (encouraged others to do the same), you should refocus energies in the smaller circles as they will have more impact on your life. As you become more masterful in each circle, you can expand them.

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I'm surprised by the very righteous tone of some of the "yes it's always wrong" posts. Are things really that simple? What if a partner isn't there in some significant way - works long hours or travels a lot, gives all his or her attention to the kids, doesn't have the same sexual needs? Does an unsatisfied partner just accept a measure of unhappiness? Does masturbation count as cheating? What about watching porn? If those things are OK, what's really so wrong with wriggling your naked body against another person's?

There is a difference between mitigation and exoneration.

The wrongness does not come from 'wriggling your naked body against another persons'. The wrongness comes from doing that when you promised someone you wouldn't. If you promised your spouse that you would not masturbate to midget porn and then did, that would also be wrong.

People have affairs for a million different reasons. I will let people come to their own conclusions as to how much each reason mitigates someone breaking a vow. I am simply submitting there is no reason that completely exonerates someone breaking a vow. Remember, this is a vow a person can rescind at any point. If they are ignored, undersexed, underappreciated, or badly treated, they can always either demand change or alter the boundaries of their relationship.
 
I'm surprised by the very righteous tone of some of the "yes it's always wrong" posts. Are things really that simple? What if a partner isn't there in some significant way - works long hours or travels a lot, gives all his or her attention to the kids, doesn't have the same sexual needs? Does an unsatisfied partner just accept a measure of unhappiness? Does masturbation count as cheating? What about watching porn? If those things are OK, what's really so wrong with wriggling your naked body against another person's?



Yes, they have to accept some blame even then. They should have known what they were getting before they settled on it. Doesn't mean there can never be an acception to that rule -but they don't get to shirk responsibility automatically when some of those things come to pass either.

You marry someone there's an agreement and understanding that comes with that. You don't get to bail just because time and circumstance bring on some changes.

It isn't being self righteous to see it this way imo. Self righteous would be to take many of the situations you present and use them as the catalyst to go off and cheat without reflecting on what role said person themselves may have played in leading to things getting to that point.


Relationships are not simply black and white. There's monumental amounts of grey that play out over time.
 
Huh. That's interesting. I wonder if they still fuck each other in that year too. It sounds by off that means not. If it works for them, who am I to say different?

As for me, I don't think that would work for me. I don't think I could look at my wife the same way or have as strong of a bond as we do if she was getting stuffed with other guys' cocks and then coming back to me afterwards. Even if it was a cheating thing that I didn't agree to I'm pretty sure I'd sense something was off and find out eventually.

We've discussed threesomes together with both girls and guys, but both of us know that jealousy would almost definitely be an issue. She can't stand the thought of another girl even touching me let alone look at me, and I have the same feelings thinking of her in that scenario as well. We've both had our fun before we met and so now being together means we're exclusive. Involving other people is what Chaturbate's for lol. That's our outlet, one way we spice things up.

Chaturbate?!?!?! Holy fuck!!!!!!!! I have never seen that before. Outside of work and Sherdog, I'm not really on the computer.

Those are just straight up amateurs that you can watch and give them tokens to do shit????? That's crazy and epic. I would love to learn a little more about how it works, how much it costs, and how you use it with your wife. I could definitely see adding that in the portfolio. Can go PM if you prefer.

I bow to your creativity.
 
Chaturbate?!?!?! Holy fuck!!!!!!!! I have never seen that before. Outside of work and Sherdog, I'm not really on the computer.

Those are just straight up amateurs that you can watch and give them tokens to do shit????? That's crazy and epic. I would love to learn a little more about how it works, how much it costs, and how you use it with your wife. I could definitely see adding that in the portfolio. Can go PM if you prefer.

I bow to your creativity.

Haha gotta keep it fresh. Pretty big turn on for us with hundreds or sometimes thousands watching us do our thing. All amateurs doing their thing, receiving tokens, yeah. It's up to the performers what they do and up to the viewers whether they give tokens or not. We go all out, and just have fun with it, and the token thing is secondary.

Shoot me a PM.
 
@cooks1

Yeah, I can't dispute anything you've said here. It's just that this isn't a paper for an Intro to Kant class. Real life gets complicated. Virtuousness, moral consistency, moral purity - whatever you want to call it - it's a lovely abstraction but almost impossible in practice.

I'm not a bad guy and I don't want to see anyone get hurt, which I know is what happens most of the time when people step out. But I also know people who've had affairs that actually seemed to benefit their relationships. One partner gets what he or she needs and isn't getting at home, wisely remains silent about it, and then returns to the original relationship without incident. So I can't accept that cheating is wrong as an absolute fact or an a priori.
 
Haha gotta keep it fresh. Pretty big turn on for us with hundreds or sometimes thousands watching us do our thing. All amateurs doing their thing, receiving tokens, yeah. It's up to the performers what they do and up to the viewers whether they give tokens or not. We go all out, and just have fun with it, and the token thing is secondary.

Shoot me a PM.

Holy.....Fucking.....Shit.......

I was looking at this from the perspective of watching people and paying tokens. But you guys are on there doing shit, taking requests and getting tokens ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!

You, Sir, are on another level.

My earlier bow the 'eshaku' was not nearly sufficient. In fact you have even gone past the much more respectful salute bow and moved all the way to the 'sai-keirei', generally reserved for superiors and masters.

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I wonder if I have already seen you?????????????

I will definitely PM you later, as I am now taking my 4 year old to the alligator farm.
 
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I voted yes, although there is a deep irony/hypocracy for anyone that knows about my situation.

With that being said, despite my current attempts to subvert/destroy a marriage, I don't think I would cross that line to sleep with her while she is still married. That is one line I would like to think I wouldn't cross.
 
@Banchan

If I posted this on my social media accounts I'd open up Pandora's box anyways this seems up your alley. The whole relationship part anyways.

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