Is it wrong to call a Dagestani "Russian?"

Anybody here who says yes doesn't know what they're talking about. Dagestan is a part of the russian federation, Dagestanis have Russian passports, Russian is the official language there, and Dagestanis in the Olympics don't represent " the country of Dagestan", they represent Russia. (Even though ethnic Russian are only proud to claim those Dagestanis as Russian if they win Russia a medal)
 
Dagestan and Chechnya belongs to the North Caucasus region of Russia,

Which the majority are not ethnic Russian Slavs and almost all of them are Muslims.

They are part of Russia but most of them don't consider themselves as Russians
 
LargeMammal said:
Good for you man. I did the same thing.

But also... I guess because you're from America you automatically assume that you have no culture. Whilst that certainly a common perception amongst Europeans, I think maybe you've accepted that too easily?

Personally I'd love to visit America, I think you have a vast array of cultures. New England's Irish communities, Detroit's motown, the Cowboy culture of the south/mid-west (I mean where else do you get rodeo's like Texas??), the Cajuns, the Native Americans, the Chinatowns. The mountains and the plains. Fuck me man, you got a pretty good country to explore there. Anyone who says America is boring or has no culture is just plain stupid.
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Our society revolves around social media and stealing from other countries cultures. This is the land of immigration but “white privelage” here is ridiculous. School shootings are quite frequent as well as racial discrimination. It could be a lot worse but look at our president....
 
From a Dagestani

"I am Russian not because of my nationality. I am Russian because I am part of the whole country."
 
In Murrica, we yell at Native American Senators to "go back to your own country".

"Being PC is worse than terrorism" - President Spanky Von Bonespurs
 
For God's sake, I've read this thread from page 1 to page 8 & not a single person here looks to understand the issue here and why Dagestanis might at times be not fine with being called Russian. None of the other examples (like being a Brit vs being N.Irish etc) are comparable to it as well.

Russians are an ethnic group (Slavic Indo-Europeans), an ethnic group which after forming an empire expanded and absorbed other people who are not Russian (Siberian minority groups, Uralics, Caucasians, Kazakhs etc) .

Now despite Russians having this multi-ethnic empire, it remained named after the principle ethnic group which formed it ("Russian Slavs") & the country to this day is named after the main ethnic group (Russia).

Its nothing like the Brit vs Irish situation as Britain or "British" isn't an ethnic group (in fact Britain is still divided into ethnic countries to this day; England, Wales, Scotland & Northern Ireland).

It would be more like if the whole of Great Britain was called Great England and the citizens "English" rather than "British" LoL.

Now how would The Scots or Irish feel about being called "English" ? I'd guess they wouldn't be too keen on identifying as "English"
 
By the way, do Hawaiians call themselves as Americans or do they have a beef with it?

Serious question.
I'm not from US.
 
wilKO said:
It should be up to the fighter. If Khabib doesn't like being called Russian I'm sure the UFC would change it. It's like people in Northern Ireland being called Irish or British in a way.
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Maybe if Khabib did it since he's a high profile fighter.

I remember reading controversy over UFC using the current communist Vietnam flag to represent Cung Le, which is offensive to many Vietnamese refugees who fled Vietnam because of the war.

Cung Le mentioned that he asked UFC to change it, but they never did lol.
 
Conor McGrammar said:
Factually speaking, they are not British. Only people from England, Scotland or Wales are actually from Great Britain and therefore are British.

This is regardless of what people associate with or want to consider themselves.
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I wasn’t referring to Northern Ireland. The poster I replied to was mentioning Scotland ect
 
Hespectfully said:
Funny you mention that, because I had a huge debate over whether it was OK to call someone from Northern Ireland "British."

Despite the fact that Northern Ireland is part of the U.K., and U.K. inhabitants are technically "British," I got the impression that you would never call an Irishman "British." I was really wondering if it was the same situation with Dagestan and Russia.
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as someone from the UK I can expand on that a bit

you are correct they are technically british, however a lot of people from northern Ireland are very against what they consider "british rule" and would much rather form part of a united Ireland (which would then make them European not british)

so in short, they don't like being called british, but they are, so you are correct it may be the same with Russia/Dagestan

im from Liverpool, we don't like being called British/English......we are scouse haha

edit: another poster just made the point they are not british, as great Britain is England/wales/Scotland, but my point stands above if you were to say they "were from the UK", you would more than likely get the reply "no, we are irish"
 
It's literally the same as any US fighter claiming he is a Texan or SoCal.
 
Is it ok to call Max Holloway American? Since Hawaii is like an own country? (Sarcasm)

Dagestan is not a nation. There is no such nationality as dagestani. Dagestan has about 120 different ethnic groups and languages. The largest groups in Dagestan are Avars (Khabib is Avar), Dargins, Russians.

There has never existed a nation of Dagestan. When Russia came there in 19th century this territory didn't have many national states (Armenia and Georgia being the exception). Instead this area consisted of tribes that were at war with each other.

I can't really do a history lesson here, but Google Caucasian wars if you are interested in the subject. Also look up Dagestan on Wikipedia.
 
i wonder how khabib feels about the sycophantic shit that gets spewed by commentators and podcast hosts about dagestan. it kinda goes like this

"have you seen that video of khabib mucking about with his pet bear aged 14? sometimes i roll around with my dog too, its fun"

"did you know that khabib used to wrestle bears?"

"khabib is wrestling with bears to train for the tony fight"

"did you see khabib outwrestling a grizzly bear, aged 4?" (grizzly bears only exist in america. khabib is from dagestan)

"in dagestan they all wrestle grizzly bears when they are children"


and then theres the whole "theres something in the water in dagestan" "yeah theres blood in the water" "no they dont even have water in dagestan!"

now i think we're starting to get "in dagestan there are only two jobs - fighter or islamic terrorist"


how about we just leave it at "combat sports are very popular in dagestan"?


i remember joe rogan doing the same shit with conors nationality as well, getting his greasy little nub all frothed up about conor being "A REAL SELLTICK WARRIOR"


fucking pathetic noobs
 
SiEdmondson said:
as someone from the UK I can expand on that a bit

you are correct they are technically british, however a lot of people from northern Ireland are very against what they consider "british rule" and would much rather form part of a united Ireland (which would then make them European not british)

so in short, they don't like being called british, but they are, so you are correct it may be the same with Russia/Dagestan

im from Liverpool, we don't like being called British/English......we are scouse haha

edit: another poster just made the point they are not british, as great Britain is England/wales/Scotland, but my point stands above if you were to say they "were from the UK", you would more than likely get the reply "no, we are irish"
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Thanks for elaborating. I'm definitely getting a better understanding of the U.K. situation. Dagestan is still kinda blurry, there's not as many of them on these forums. I'm still trying to wrap my head around how Dagestan isn't even a country, technically. It's actually a republic. Weird. Anyway, Scouse's are ok in my book. GOAT English accent imho. I love listening to Darren Till's interviews.
 
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