Is it true without the Ten Commandments we wouldn't have morality or ethics?

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

And 200 years from now the people living are gonna look back and view some of the things we believe today as barbaric.

I hope that they will look back at everything related to gender confusion , especially sex changes in teens, as historical nonsense of criminal magnitude.

 

[skold]

1. I am the LORD your God: you shall not have strange Gods before me. - TRASH
2. You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain. - TRASH
3. Remember to keep holy the LORD'S Day. - TRASH
4. Honor your father and your mother. - DECENT, not absolute.. parents could be abusive pieces of shit who don't deserve any respect
5. You shall not kill. - DECENT
6. You shall not commit adultery. - DECENT, not as important as not killing, stealing or bearing false witness though.
7. You shall not steal. - DECENT
8. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. - DECENT
9. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife. - MEH, there are more important things you could concern yourself with
10. You shall not covet your neighbor's goods. - MEH, reads like "accept your serf-status, and don't dream of a better life for yourself"

Only half of the commandments are even worth mentioning, and those values existed in societies way before Abrahamic religions came about. Definitely not written by a "divine being", that's for certain.

 

[ICHEERTHEBULL]

Re-read them. They are exclusive.

Not really. Without the 12 commandments we wouldn’t be as civilised as we are now doesn’t negate the fact that morality would have come about naturally at all

 

[mozfonky]

The holy books are not the basis for morality, nor do they even claim to be. But certainly serve as a reinforcement and guildline (such as the case with the 10 commandments) to living and preforming moral good. These things do occur naturally, but often can be out done by lack of morality or ethics. We've seen this struggle represented again and again throughout our worlds history

Its an interesting argument that gets clouded by the fact that in America, 65% claim to be Christian but many of which dedicate none of their time to the teachings, beliefs, or lifestyle of Christianity and just use the book as a moral club against their enemies.

I also think character can be character, for example, I've always had a rep for honesty with people who know me. Starting with my parents. I just don't like lying, but of course I have done it, and of course there are times where I should have done it. Not everyone has the same standards in my observation. Some people will cheat someone without batting an eye and others do everything they can to give you a fair shake. No one is perfect and everyone falls short of the glory of god as the bible would say.

I suppose, without some sort of limits or rules, the worry is that our worst instincts would run rampant and that looks to be true. Just look at how people acted after defund, just lost their fucking minds. I noticed a lot of people just running red lights, of course the homeless got more out of hand and the criminals are acting a fool like never before.

 

[mozfonky]

1. I am the LORD your God: you shall not have strange Gods before me. - TRASH
2. You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain. - TRASH
3. Remember to keep holy the LORD'S Day. - TRASH
4. Honor your father and your mother. - DECENT, not absolute.. parents could be abusive pieces of shit who don't deserve any respect
5. You shall not kill. - DECENT
6. You shall not commit adultery. - DECENT, not as important as not killing, stealing or bearing false witness though.
7. You shall not steal. - DECENT
8. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. - DECENT
9. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife. - MEH, there are more important things you could concern yourself with
10. You shall not covet your neighbor's goods. - MEH, reads like "accept your serf-status, and don't dream of a better life for yourself"

Only half of the commandments are even worth mentioning, and those values existed in societies way before Abrahamic religions came about. Definitely not written by a "divine being", that's for certain.

It was and is tribal. Do not steal doesn't mean don't steal shit from everyone else and the killing was only bad when it was one of the in group, Holy Wars made it ok to kill outsiders. Anyway, I don't think that small tribes religion or rules intended or meant to become as far reaching as they did. They were for a certain group at a certain time and was for the good of that group. Of course, some of those rules like don't steal are good for any society.

 

[mozfonky]

Still blows my mind that America is one of the most religious countries in the world

probably capitalism and our roots have a lot to do with that. we were founded by some real religious fanatics and moralists. I've heard that in europe they have churches but they are not incentivized to find or keep pasishioners like american churches are. Like everything else in our country, money moves things, we have churches and pastors on every block that get paid weekly and the better they can preach and convince, the more they get paid.

 

[4daLuLZ]

The book that condones rape, murder, enslavement, punishment by association, eternal torture etc etc promotes morality ???

Interdasting.

Oh you probably mean like stop masturbating and such.

 

[shinkyoku]

i don't covet my neighbours wife....however his daughter.....

thats cool as long as you dont want his slaves too.

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

I hope that they will look back at everything related to gender confusion , especially sex changes in teens, as historical nonsense of criminal magnitude.

Gender dysphoria, gender bending and people who have lived/indentified as the opposite gender is nothing new and isn't going away and teens aren't getting " sex changes"

Find a new source of outrage porn

 

[Limeade]

For an interesting read, check out C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity

 

[blaseblase]

I hope that they will look back at everything related to gender confusion , especially sex changes in teens, as historical nonsense of criminal magnitude.

Given the rate of technological advances and an increasingly socially liberal society, people will probably be able to literally change sex back and forth. "Conservative" will mean something entirely different.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

Gender dysphoria, gender bending and people who have lived/indentified as the opposite gender is nothing new and isn't going away and teens aren't getting " sex changes"

Find a new source of outrage porn

Nice try won t bite

 

[Ramon Antonio]

Every social animal develops rules / ways on how to interact with group members. All the great apes have incest avoidance for example and they generally like to prevent conflict if possible.

 

[Natural Order]

Morality is clearly subjective although commonalities are required to maintain any semblance of civilization. It's constantly changing and continues to do so.

 

[Seano]

I believe people do need some moral guidance. Not necessarily the 10 Commandments, specifically.
I mean, we see areas of the world, in our own country, where we've kind of let people do what they want to do and it ends with stealing and violence.
I think this is what a lot of people don't really get about religion and what we've lost as its become less in our society. Less common ground, less community interaction, less moral guidance... I don't see how anyone thought it would improve us by removing it and it hasn't.

 

[Source]

No, but without religion we would have one less meaningless thing to fight about as human beings.

 

[surgeyou1]

I believe people do need some moral guidance. Not necessarily the 10 Commandments, specifically.
I mean, we see areas of the world, in our own country, where we've kind of let people do what they want to do and it ends with stealing and violence.
I think this is what a lot of people don't really get about religion and what we've lost as its become less in our society. Less common ground, less community interaction, less moral guidance... I don't see how anyone thought it would improve us by removing it and it hasn't.

I'd love to know what time period you think religion has brought us increased morality.

 

[Belaya Smert]

As long as you aren’t a complete POS this should have been some of the things you leaned through the formative years of socialization before you turn 5.

 

[Seano]

I'd love to know what time period you think religion has brought us increased morality.

It was always a benefit for all the reasons I listed.
I'd love to know at what point you think the lack of it has improved us.

 

[surgeyou1]

It was always a benefit for all the reasons I listed.
I'd love to know at what point you think the lack of it has improved us.

Like when? Where? Give me some specifics.