Is it possible to be a wild grappler?

[don't ask]

The "technical brawler" thread has me thinking... what's the grappling equivalent of a brawler? Grappling inherently involves being a technician because it's about control and fluke submissions are incredibly rare, but there must be some examples out there of uncontrolled grapplers. The closest I can think of is Palhares and Mir snapping joints with submissions, but that's really grasping for straws.

 

[blaseblase]

Tony Ferguson

 

[Mike]

Go rewatch Penn vs Hughes 1

 

[Katsushyro]

Ortega vs Volks, just going for subs with disregard for positioning and control.

Classic tony ferguson.

Godofredo Pepey

Somewhat Charles

 

[GiganticMeat]

Really surprised the answer isn't Khamzat... His strategy in some fights looks like wrangling a pig

 

[GrantB13]

I'd say so. Constantly looking to improve position instead of sitting in half guard for 2 minutes, going for submissions whenever you can grab something. It's possible.

 

[Sweater of AV]

The "technical brawler" thread has me thinking... what's the grappling equivalent of a brawler? Grappling inherently involves being a technician because it's about control and fluke submissions are incredibly rare, but there must be some examples out there of uncontrolled grapplers. The closest I can think of is Palhares and Mir snapping joints with submissions, but that's really grasping for straws.

I view it as guys who are very technical but also take tons of risks and aren't afraid to put themselves in bad positions.

I usually think of a Urijah Faber or Benson Henderson type grappler that is obviously technically sound and due to their great scrambling etc can take a lot of risks and will find themselves in unfavorable positions.

 

[Egészségére!]

Brock’s bullrush was pretty wild

 

[kingghidrah]

Kimo maybe in his early bouts vs. Gracie and Pat Smith

 

[GluttonforPunishment]

Werdum

 

[BigTruck]

I'd say so. Constantly looking to improve position instead of sitting in half guard for 2 minutes, going for submissions whenever you can grab something. It's possible.

This, basically always in the attack and disregard for positioning, kill or be killed on the mat, several fighters have tons of submission wins and losses at the same time.

 

[MigitAs]

Ortega vs Volks, just going for subs with disregard for positioning and control.

Classic tony ferguson.

Godofredo Pepey

Somewhat Charles

Came here to say Pepey.

Why didn’t the dude just utilize his grappling instead of getting himself chinned striking almost every time

 

[wufabufa]

The Ruotolo bros are all wildmen. Technical spazzing can win you an ADCC championship and a million bucks at CJI.

 

[kingofthecans]

Only in the bedroom.

 

[Khaosan]

CATCH WRASSSSLIN BABYYYYY

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

There are people who really excel in scrambles. You could be "less technical" than the opponent, but if you're quicker to regain technique out of chaos than someone who is strong from their practiced positions and advancements, so you create space and force them to have to try and recatch their comfort.

The Ruotolos are really fun to watch for that reason.

 

[ticho123]

Tony Ferguson

Good choice. I would mention Frank Mir as something of a "knockout punch" grappler with good strong subs and much weaker positional game

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

I view it as guys who are very technical but also take tons of risks and aren't afraid to put themselves in bad positions.

I usually think of a Urijah Faber or Benson Henderson type grappler that is obviously technically sound and due to their great scrambling etc can take a lot of risks and will find themselves in unfavorable positions.

Favorable position is important. I always talk about how Ronda, despite having the submission results on paper, wasn't a particularly excellent BJJ person (I think about how Carmouche had her back in seconds of their fight). But if you've ever done spot training, where you start a roll from different positions, then you know how you don't need to be all that better than someone when you start with an arm-in headlock and based out in full side control, especially when your opponent is starting stunned and out of breath, like how she would end up on opponents after her throws.

 

[Elvis.]

 

[Dr. Rose]

The two that popped in my head, and for different reasons, will get me some shit on here, but oh well.

Saku and Coleman.

Saku because he was always after something and was willing to take risks. Carlos Newton v Saku is good one, both are going after it and giving up position to get subs.

Coleman and many early wrestlers would be routinely doing gnp on bjj guys but once they get tired they leave their arms in more vulnerable positions. Coleman's loss to Big Nog.