How realistic is it for fighters to actually improve after a certain point?

It's not an answerable question generally. Some fighters improve technically long after their physical prime. Chandler is a meathead so not the kind of guy to do that. The answer as with most complicated questions is, it depends.
 
prolly have to do most if not all of your improving in your twenties. the old dog new tricks thing.
 
There's atleast 10 guys you forgot about that faded after 30 for every 1 guy who finds the skills to cover their weakness. Bo has shown power in his striking which is good, but there are countless examples of wrestlers that join mma and show some striking natural talent. Cormier, Brock (He did well against Herring and Randy), Yoel, Hendricks, Rampage, Hendo, Chuck Lidell... the list goes on, but you'll see plenty of guys who seem to embrace the striking quickly within 5 years of going to mma, Bo doesn't seem to have that much talent. To be fair, if his BJJ level turned up higher, he could go down with guys like Robocop or Craig and look pretty good.
 
Well a big confounder is age. After a certain time (depending on fighting style, training, genetics, fight mileage etc.) there is a natural diminishing of capacity. It is possible that some fighters are improving in certain areas but that those gains are largely masked or erased by corresponding losses in general ability.
 
I think a fighter's mental prime is more critical to success than their physical prime. Fighters hit their peak physically between 28-32, and the mental peak occurs at a similar age range but usually a little later. The mental prime comes with experience and helps compensate for drop in athleticism at a later age.

It's why guys like Porier, Oliveira, Belal, and Masvidal were able to go on runs in their mid 30s when in theory, they should have declined.
 
It takes a lot of dedication past a certain point. Ubereem did it, Oliveira...
 
I think for the most part it's about the mental game catching up to the physical skills. I don't know that fighters necessarily improve in terms of what they can do but I do think they improve tactically when it comes to how to apply those skills in a high pressure fight.
Great explanation. Pretty much this. Fighters make tweaks after errors to see what works.

Also, off nights exists. Fans hate it but it's ttue
 
This is a question I ask myself quite often pertaining to fighters and especially prospects, when they're young like day 18-25 I think the potential to improve/change/adapt/become aware is there for sure, from around 24-30 I think it exists to some extent but not nearly as much as people like to believe or pretend that it does. After that 27-30 age range with some exceptions (like a Bo Nickal or Pereira who cross over late) I think fighters are largely finished products and can only really make slight improvements and adjustments to what they already are. Now please before I get a bunch of generic goofy as responses about how "it varies" and "there's exeptions" I clearly did not speak in absolutes because that's obvious and I didn't want to make it seem black and white.

That said, I think while the UFC has absolutely no precedent for skill, achievement and ability with who they sign relative to who they could be signing that eventually the growth of the sport will still catch up to the promotiob...that is to say, here's a lot more guys who have been competing amateur at 14-16 years old and in MMA gyms from a young age. Which I think will eventually lead to more and more stunted fighters getting exposed by guys who are so much more developed and comprehensive...it isn't magical mountain man Dagestani powers making a joke out of MMA with Khabib, Islam, Umar and Usman running through the deepest divisions but rather it's a bunch of talented guys who grew up in a massively strong region and had been competing since age 7-9 in various combat sports and began focusing on becoming world champions in MMA by that 15-16 year old mark under one of the best coaches in the world in one of the most talented regions. I say this because I see these guys consistently exploit fighters inabilities to improve and change. Development takes a lot of time, fighters need on average to start younger and compete more to reach ceilings before stagnation.

Some examples? Michael Chandler. You cannot convince me Chandler has improved in over a decade, now he's old and clearly regressed where back in the day he was more explosive and fast which he's always centered his game around to begin with. But his mediocre striking technique, limited shot selection, poor cardio and serious lack of mat grappling to pair with his actually decent wrestling is just wild...when he was young he coasted a lot off of speed, power and athleticism but those holes were still there and visible...pan 13 almost 14 years from the Eddie Alvarez I fight and there's been virtually no technical development and clear physical decline and shopwornness. Petr Yan is another guy, he is one of the more skilled fighters all around I've ever seen with gifted power and cardio but he's a slow starter and tends to give up the first 1-2 rounds which in 3-5 round fights you can't do that...it's not fucking boxing where you're going 6-12 rounds. Besides the slow starts, Yan has issues with finding movers due to his own lack of footwork...it's a big reason I think Omalley gave him trouble and why I don't think he can contender vs Umar, beyond that he has a typical flaw which can be a lack of urgency....this has been the case for years without much development.

To some extent I think MMA coaching is limited and young when it comes to developing fighters. You gotta get kids younger, they need to compete more in various ways, you need to have them cross training at different gyms...boxing gyms, kickboxing, Thailand in between camps, with wrestling teams, with Judo teams, at BJJ academies, at other MMA gyms etc. I think exposure to different kinds of styles, fighters, approaches, coaching, mentality, culture etc. allows for a greater capacity to learn, become aware of strengths/weaknesses, and understand better what it is you do, are most receptive to etc. A lot of guys have strengths but their game isnt developed in a way to impose it or fighters have weaknesses but they dont fight in a way to mitigate it. I think also fighters are fairly underdeveloped athletically, I've noticed for a lot of other sports that require athleticism it's a blend of plyometrics, heavy compounds and specialized explosive movements under forms of resistance. The cardio aspect I think is largely there, in my experience and in observation guys tend to run, do calisthenics, skip rope, run stairs, spar, roll etc etc. But the strength and conditioning for sport specific stuff is lacking.

I hear so often people say "he's 27, he's got tons of time" but I rarely notice these 27 year olds making Charles Oliveira type turnarounds...it's why Charles is so exceptional, that shit rarely happens. And I'd like to not fixate too much on flaws like if a guys massively injury prone or has a horrible chin and it gets exposed. I tend to believe there's a significant aspect of cardio abilities that's genetic but it's debatable. But I'm curious, how realistic is it for fighters to improve?
I tend to think beyond simply "you can't teach an old dog new tricks" part of the issue is when you actually become a pro MMA fighter you needing to spend a lot of your time keeping in fight shape and maintaining your existing skills. Skills tend to be picked up when people are younger not just because their more receptive to them but also because there in an environment to learn them.

The problem as well i'd say is that "MMA gyms" often don't really seem geared to teaching more advanced skills but rather "filling in the gaps" basically teaching a simplifed version of MA's to fighters who are rounding out their skill set and need to learn fast. I think that really accerated a lot when the US became the centre of MMA training post Pride.

A big issue as well I feel is that a lot of this talk is simply bullshit UFC spiel always looking to push towards product as "the best ever". Its also dealing with the reality that fighters are getting into the big time later and later into their careers and I think a big factor in this is the UFC promotional pratice, it tends to wait for fighters to build themselves up in smaller orgs for years so very often by the time they reach the UFC their in the 30's. That wasnt so much the case in the past were it was very common for fighters to go right into big orgs, I mean both Nog and Fedor were the #1 HW in the world within 3 years of their first MMA fight.
 
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