is Islam's record now better than Khabib's?

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I say so.

- Khabib won a vacant belt, so did Islam, but vs. Charles Oliveria (one of the goat LWs)... as opposed to... Al laquinta
- Defended (and really only ever fought) against 3 top guys @ Conor, Dustin & Justin

Islam has now defended 4 x, against 3 top guys, one of which he rematched and definitively head-kicked into the shadow realm. Better variety of wins, subs, more dangerous, way better striking... and fought better guys on the way to the belt imo.
 
Not at all, he still has that KO loss vs a nobody and 2 of those title defenses were against a guy from the lower division where he got beat up the first time they fought and second one was short notice for the midget. Unless he can go back in time and erase that loss,his record will always be worse than Khabib’s perfect one.

And also just imagine Khabib vs Charles or Volk,he’d have slaughtered those poor guys…
 
I am not going to dinegrate Islam's wins by saying one of his defense was against a a fw he already beat who had rolled off the couch and flew across the world on a few days notice, or that he had a competitive fight against a guy Khabib dominated 5 years ago.

No, instead I am going to say that RDA is better than any oponent Islam faced coming up.
 
Chaotic Progressor said:
I say so.

- Khabib won a vacant belt, so did Islam, but vs. Charles Oliveria (one of the goat LWs)... as opposed to... Al laquinta
- Defended (and really only ever fought) against 3 top guys @ Conor, Dustin & Justin

Islam has now defended 4 x, against 3 top guys, one of which he rematched and definitively head-kicked into the shadow realm. Better variety of wins, subs, more dangerous, way better striking... and fought better guys on the way to the belt imo.
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You can make an argument that Islam has the better record. I don't think so since Islam got KO'd and Khabib is undefeated. More importantly, I think Khabib is the better fighter. When Khabib retired, Olives was the next in line and Khabib wasn't motivated to fight him. It wouldn't have been a competitive fight. Khabib cleaned out the division. There wasn't anybody there to give him a challenge at the time.
 
I guess?

He’s done a great job of generally round robin-ing the Lw division. He has for the most part cleaned it out. It’s unfortunate that no big contender has come up during this term.

What was his biggest fight? Oliveira? And that was a great looking fight on paper but Islam destroyed him in a way that really left no intrigue for a rematch and nothing really great has come since.

Again, it’s a bit unfortunate that there isn’t any great challenge at Lw for him. I guess I’d like to see him move up, but he has both said he does and doesn’t want to fight Belal, and now he wants to fight Dricus. I just want something to make sense, and it’s absolutley not Justin Gaethje. No offense to Gaethje, he’s great, but getting killed by Holloway really took him well out any title contender considerations permanently for me.
 
Most Sherdoggers consider avoiding a loss way more important than any wins or accomplishments you could ever amass. So like if the judges gave Tibau the nod, for example, somehow that would make Khabib half as good as they currently think he is.

So since Islam got caught like a decade ago, he can never achieve the success of Khabib even though he is accomplishing more. But also they're magically selective about these things, so as long as they didn't see it it doesn't count, for example Aspinall's sub loss, which they pretend never happened.
 
If he has more title defenses, then he has a better record.

Quality of opponents is debatable, but Volk is probably better than drunk Connor and Oliveira proved he's better than Justin.
 
Chaotic Progressor said:
I say so.

- Khabib won a vacant belt, so did Islam, but vs. Charles Oliveria (one of the goat LWs)... as opposed to... Al laquinta
- Defended (and really only ever fought) against 3 top guys @ Conor, Dustin & Justin

Islam has now defended 4 x, against 3 top guys, one of which he rematched and definitively head-kicked into the shadow realm. Better variety of wins, subs, more dangerous, way better striking... and fought better guys on the way to the belt imo.
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No...

Islam is a stud but a win against Arman would have got him closer. Beating Moicano isn't as impressive.

The real truth is that Khabib would be the champion in any LW era we have seen thus far. Islam wouldn't as he couldn't beat Khabib.
 
Talking about Islam's loss is the kind of thing that shows stupidity by fans. The fact is, Islam wasn't nearly the fighter he would become when he lost that fight. Context.

The question is whether or not Islam compares in terms of quality wins as champ. It also matters how good each opponent was at the time; no one gets style points for wins of guys that are out of their prime or from a lower weight class.

The winner of the comparison is GSP. He is likely smaller than both of them. Khabib walks around over 200, GSP 185-190 (weight comparison is per GSP himself). Therefore, GSP beat bigger and better opponents even though he is smaller.

Oh that's right, we were just comparing Khabib and Islam. I think it's pretty much of a wash at this point; no one has a clear advantage. BJ Penn is above both of them because he fought bigger guys, not smaller.

Once Islam loses, we will have seen total collapse of the "Dagis are unbeatable" bit. The whole idea has seen gradual collapse lately.
 
joy2day said:
Talking about Islam's loss is the kind of thing that shows stupidity by fans. The fact is, Islam wasn't nearly the fighter he would become when he lost that fight. Context.

The question is whether or not Islam compares in terms of quality wins as champ. It also matters how good each opponent was at the time; no one gets style points for wins of guys that are out of their prime or from another weight class.

The winner of the comparison is GSP. He is likely smaller than both of them. Khabib walks around over 200, GSP 185-190 (weight comparison is per GSP himself). Therefore, GSP beat bigger and better opponents even though he is smaller.

Oh that's right, we were just comparing Khabib and Islam. I think it's pretty much of a wash at this point; no one has a clear advantage. BJ Penn is above both of them because he fought bigger guys, not smaller.
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Khabib didn't tap to strikes from a fat FW though (like GSP did vs Serra) or lose multiple fights in his prime like BJ Penn. Coming to think of it, neither has Islam.
 
Right now at this point I'd say they are about equal, not a lot of difference, however if Islam keeps defending the belt and has many more title defenses then it will clearly be him with the better record and accomplishments. Time will tell
 
DoubleTrouble said:
Khabib didn't tap to strikes from a fat FW though (like GSP did vs Serra) or lose multiple fights in his prime like BJ Penn. Coming to think of it, neither has Islam.
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Khabib fled before he fought anyone, Islam is fighting smaller guys and fights when the other guy is short-notice.
 
Does it really matter?
 
joy2day said:
Talking about Islam's loss is the kind of thing that shows stupidity by fans. The fact is, Islam wasn't nearly the fighter he would become when he lost that fight. Context.
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Of course not, but that's not gonna matter to people who dont like him, or like someone better. Khabib didnt even lose to Tibau but people gonna bring that up til the end of time.

I will say that the best way to beat some of these Dagestanis is to get at them before they get as good as Khabib was in 2018 - 2020 or Islam is now.
 
10000yearsold said:
I guess?

He’s done a great job of generally round robin-ing the Lw division. He has for the most part cleaned it out. It’s unfortunate that no big contender has come up during this term.

What was his biggest fight? Oliveira? And that was a great looking fight on paper but Islam destroyed him in a way that really left no intrigue for a rematch and nothing really great has come since.

Again, it’s a bit unfortunate that there isn’t any great challenge at Lw for him. I guess I’d like to see him move up, but he has both said he does and doesn’t want to fight Belal, and now he wants to fight Dricus. I just want something to make sense, and it’s absolutley not Justin Gaethje. No offense to Gaethje, he’s great, but getting killed by Holloway really took him well out any title contender considerations permanently for me.
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Paddy Pimblet - can't stand the guy, and I think he's overrating himself, but, given his grappling prowess... I think that would be interesting.
 
Chaotic Progressor said:
I say so.

- Khabib won a vacant belt, so did Islam, but vs. Charles Oliveria (one of the goat LWs)... as opposed to... Al laquinta
- Defended (and really only ever fought) against 3 top guys @ Conor, Dustin & Justin

Islam has now defended 4 x, against 3 top guys, one of which he rematched and definitively head-kicked into the shadow realm. Better variety of wins, subs, more dangerous, way better striking... and fought better guys on the way to the belt imo.
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Firstly Khabib dominated a peak RDA, I still consider that his best win over Gaethje, Poirier and Conor. Secondly, Khabib only really struggled vs Tibau while Islam had fights early in his career similar where he arguably lost (Barnoui, Egoyan) and he got caught and knocked out vs Martins, then as champ he struggled vs Poirier and Volk. So, they're different careers, Khabib was unblemished and more dominant, Islam has a slightly longer UFC win streak and 1 more defense. You can argue who's got the better resume, Volk is a FW...and the rematch was a sham, Charles is Islams best win I'd argue. They both fought mostly lames during their win streaks to the titles and I've never been overly impressed with the guys they've fought relative to their own strengths, size and physical abilities.

Right now? Khabib is still greater. The Moicano win was whatever. Islam needs to do extra, beat Arman and then try for 170lb title.
 
Chaotic Progressor said:
Sure. Why ever discuss anything, lol. Why does any of it matter. Why even have a belt, or the fights.
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I am not saying not to discuss it? I'm just sayin is it really that important? Everytime something at LW happens, people get the shovels out on Khabib's career.

People are always so hasty to move on "the next thing"

People couldnt wait to try and prop up Usman as better than GSP etc

What's the fucking RUSH, boys.


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