Is Hillary Clinton a War Hawk?

kpt018 said:
Can you accept that maybe we haven't watched every minute of Rachel Maddow? Truthfully, I catch her show occasionally but I actually don't like her that much.

And it doesn't matter anyway, let's stop losing sight of what you guys are saying. You made the claim or at least agree with the claim that by playing the race card, voters where made to feel guilty to vote for Obama and that had an effect on the election. It's an utterly ridiculous assertion. Now, you can point out there are people with extreme left positions. OK, that hasn't effected the election!

And let's assume RM is some extreme left winger who magically controls viewers minds. IT STILL WOULDN'T EFFECT THE ELECTION! Who the hell do you think watches MSNBC?
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Then why are you denying it in the first place? I stopped reading and taking you seriously right there
 
steveflynn said:
His theory isn't sound whatsoever and his book was widely panned by reviewers of the book as well.
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That's only because academia is dominated by Liberals and what he put forward was controversial. Give me a break lol.

And the theory is locked in pretty air tight. He backs up every sentiment he makes.
 
lfd0311 said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFXJzLciV2M

At 4:25 "which I would argue is a show of humility and not hubris but people want to run with the hubris line I think forf prejdice reasons"

seriously, just watch this video from about 4:25 to the 6:10 mark

I'll just leave this too. I couldn't take anymore, so watch them for yourself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmJVn5xZqN8
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Honestly, what exactly are you trying to prove by posting all of these links? Again, are you being obtuse or something? Before you said that all liberals claim that the ONLY reason why the GOP has filibustered Obama in the Senate is because of race. This is an extremely far reaching and non-specific point of contention, therefore you picking and choosing (and also deliberately omitting) youtube clips is not really proving anything.
 
Prokofievian said:
To say that saying race plays a role in an issue (objection to a policy, for example), is materially equivalent to ''you are like Hitler if you disagree with me,'' is just the dumbest thing I can think of.

Surely you don't think that, do you?
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Of course not. But that's not what we are talking about so what's your point? I'm talking about Liberals pretending to bring race into it as some benign relevancy, but instead morally blackmailing people with race in order to get them to fall into line. which is what a lot of Liberals do. Race is not as relevant as the Liberal mind wants it too be.
 
lfd0311 said:
Then why are you denying it in the first place? I stopped reading and taking you seriously right there
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I was addressing your post first and pointing out it doesn't matter. I really don't care if you take me seriously at this point, you're unable to support or tie any of positions to your assertion. It's just a waste of time.

It's like, there's racism and there are some extreme left wing folks, derp, that's why Obama won, derp.
 
steveflynn said:
Wow, you're very deliberately backtracking from your original statement (that liberals claim all of the GOP filibusters in the Senate have been against Obama because of his race) now. You're deflecting from, at first, making a very specific but wide reaching statement regarding what ALL liberals think to then backtracking and dredging up instances of some liberals who think that race has played a factor (but not the exclusive factor) in the obstruction of Barack Obama. Your sleight of hand has been uncovered.
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I'm not back tracking, and that wasn't my original statement. You claimed it was my original statement. I've made plenty of statements. If you can't see how this is common thiking on the left, you aren't trying to see it.
 
lfd0311 said:
By the very people he's talking about. Shocker.
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You're exactly right. All the negative reviews "Liberal Fascism" got were because only biased (and EVIL) liberals reviewed the book.
 
kpt018 said:
I was addressing your post first and pointing out it doesn't matter. I really don't care if you take me seriously at this point, you're unable to support or tie any of positions to your assertion. It's just a waste of time.

It's like, there's racism and there are some extreme left wing folks, derp, that's why Obama won, derp.
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I've supported it, you ignored it. When hit with examples of just what I'm talking about, your reply was "do you really expect me to catch every second or Rachel Maddow?". Seriously, that's what your argument has degenerated to in the course of like 6 posts. The extreme left has become the democratic party. If there were some center leaning Dems, they'd have my vote.
 
lfd0311 said:
I'm not back tracking, and that wasn't my original statement. You claimed it was my original statement. I've made plenty of statements. If you can't see how this is common thiking on the left, you aren't trying to see it.
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"All the filibusters are apparently because Obama is black."

This is exactly what you said in post number 41 in the thread
 
steveflynn said:
You're exactly right. All the negative reviews "Liberal Fascism" got were because only biased (and EVIL) liberals reviewed the book.
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Keep putting words in my mouth. It also got tons of excellent reviews from Conservatives. You can't honestly be serious with this, can you?
 
steveflynn said:
"All the filibusters are apparently because Obama is black."

This is exactly what you said in post number 41 in the thread
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And clearly that was a generalized example. If you can't pick up on that, that's on you, not on me
 
lfd0311 said:
I've supported it, you ignored it. When hit with examples of just what I'm talking about, your reply was "do you really expect me to catch every second or Rachel Maddow?". Seriously, that's what your argument has degenerated to in the course of like 6 posts. The extreme left has become the democratic party. If there were some center leaning Dems, they'd have my vote.
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If you think you supported it by showing a clip of Rachel Maddow then you don't even remember what your own assertion is.

And in my view, the majority of current Dems in the Senate and Congress are center left, including the president. Warren is a liberal and left of most Dems, but she is hardly extreme.

Apparently if you want a stronger safety net, believe that we currently have a demand shortage and that policy should reflect that and think gays should be allowed to marry the same sex you're "extreme left". You know, you can't really be extreme if you hold a position most people believe in lol.
 
Tropodan said:
That's only because academia is dominated by Liberals and what he put forward was controversial. Give me a break lol.

And the theory is locked in pretty air tight. He backs up every sentiment he makes.
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No, saying (as he does) that todays left wing has a common and adopted political ideology/philosophy that is very much congruent with Hitler's Germany and Mussolini's Italy is about as idiotic and deliberatively provocative as you can get. And this is exactly what Goldberg did so he could sell copies of his book (which he succeeded in doing).
 
lfd0311 said:
And clearly that was a generalized example. If you can't pick up on that, that's on you, not on me
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And to prove that, you show a clip of RM?

It's like me saying I think all conservatives are really closet homosexuals. Evidence? I heard it on Bill Maher show!
 
kpt018 said:
If you think you supported it by showing a clip of Rachel Maddow then you don't even remember what your own assertion is.

And in my view, the majority of current Dems in the Senate and Congress are center left, including the president. Warren is a liberal and left of most Dems, but she is hardly extreme.

Apparently if you want a stronger safety net, believe that we currently have a demand shortage and that policy should reflect that and think gays should be allowed to marry the same sex you're "extreme left". You know, you can't really be extreme if you hold a position most people believe in lol.
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Honestly, I don't even know what to say to that. The President is center leaning? For real? You actually think that?
 
Tropodan said:
Of course not. But that's not what we are talking about so what's your point? I'm talking about Liberals pretending to bring race into it as some benign relevancy, but instead morally blackmailing people with race in order to get them to fall into line. which is what a lot of Liberals do.
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Indeed, so many that you couldn't provide a single example of your point to be debated.

Tropodan said:
Race is not as relevant as the Liberal mind wants it too be.
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What the fuck is ''the liberal mind''? Is there ''a conservative mind''? Just one? Or is it possible that people, even if they vote similarly, might have a complex spectrum of ideas between them?
 
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