Is CNN fake news??!?

[Jack V Savage]

CNN also leaked debate questions to Clinton ahead of her debate with Bernie, as well as meet privately with John Podesta multiple times to control coverage.

CNN as an institution leaked no debate questions. Like every news organization, they have pundits who are affiliated with both parties, and one leaked a debate question. And CNN never met privately with Podesta to control coverage.

Are there any real journalists left? People that report the news regardless of political affiliation?

Journalism used to be a respected profession. Now they just seems like a bunch of whores

The issue is simply that uninformed or misinformed readers/viewers will interpret anything that doesn't confirm their biases as being itself biased so it's literally impossible for any media outlet to not be considered biased by fanatics on both sides.

 

[luckyshot]

The amount of people actually getting killed in violent crime may be decreasing but that mainly has to do with more competent surgeons nowadays compared to 20-30 years ago. It certainly doesn't mean the crime rate is down.

Here's a graph showing the increase of attempted killings (both murder and manslaughter) in Sweden since 1977 (per 100 000 people):

And yes, it's mainly immigrants who are committing these kind of violent crimes in Sweden.

How do you blame this on I'm migrants when the migrant crisis didn't start until 2013 and the graph line rises steadily since 1980 and mostly leveled out since 1996. By your own info., the recent wave of immigration can account for little more than 10% of the increase of these types of crimes since 1980.

Do you know how to read a graph?

 

[Metusalemi]

CNN (for USA) and BBC (for world) has been my news sources for years. Last year made me drop both.

I use Reuters for world news now, but I don't know what to use for US news.

 

[Mr Holmes]

https://uspoliticsinfo.com/2017/01/...t-regarding-her-by-saying-cnn-why-do-you-lie/

https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersFor...deleted_their_poll_which_sanders_was_leading/

 

[luckyshot]

Are there any real journalists left? People that report the news regardless of political affiliation?

Journalism used to be a respected profession. Now they just seems like a bunch of whores

Reuters, AP, NPR. A lot of Wall Street Journal and New York Times content. Basically, TV news is crap, but there are still a lot of basically good print sources. Don't believe the hype.

 

[sangreporsangre]

 

[klnOmega]

Ya I get it.... in my opinion, opinion pieces presented in a factual format are fake. There's no effort to give an unbiased report of the facts. They only report the things they want you to hear and omit everything else.

Omitting pertinent information is a form of lying

Exactly. This is what CNN does more than anything. They report things with no context. For example, now they are attacking Trump for Spicer's closed door press briefing, calling it an attack on freedom of the press. CNN fails to mention anywhere in their coverage that closed door press briefings with a much smaller pool of hand selected journalists than usual is actually relatively common for administrations to do. CNN and NYT still have their press passes and can still attend all the regular press conferences.

 

[klnOmega]

Relax guys, Pan and Jack says it all just simple mistakes.

 

[klnOmega]

CNN as an institution leaked no debate questions. Like every news organization, they have pundits who are affiliated with both parties, and one leaked a debate question. And CNN never met privately with Podesta to control coverage.



The issue is simply that uninformed or misinformed readers/viewers will interpret anything that doesn't confirm their biases as being itself biased so it's literally impossible for any media outlet to not be considered biased by fanatics on both sides.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journa...-staff-homes-before-hillarys-campaign-launch/

Private off the record meeting with a stated goal of "(3) Framing the HRC message and framing the race".

CNN probably forgot to include this in their extensive wikileaks coverage.

 

[klnOmega]

Reuters, AP, NPR. A lot of Wall Street Journal and New York Times content. Basically, TV news is crap, but there are still a lot of basically good print sources. Don't believe the hype.

Wall Street Journal and New York Times just ran stories saying Pewdiepie was an anti-Semite who is leading a white nationalist movement...

 

[Jack V Savage]

Reuters, AP, NPR. A lot of Wall Street Journal and New York Times content. Basically, TV news is crap, but there are still a lot of basically good print sources. Don't believe the hype.

All of those get attacked by fanatics, too, and note that many WSJ reporters complained that they were forced to be overly soft on Trump.

The focus should really be between work that is well-sourced and institutions that have high standards for accuracy and basic journalistic standards. Errors are inevitable, but how are they handled? If you find an error in an NYT story, for example, and report it, they'll look into it and issue a correction if necessary. How many corrections have you seen on InfoWars? Look at who gets hired. Is it people with good academic credentials and a solid work history or just people who are ideologically on board with the institution? If it's a solid organization, it can be biased, and it doesn't even matter. Mother Jones, for example, clearly does have an ideological bias, but they don't publish bad stories. The WSJ is similar on the right--they have a point of view, but they do good work generally.

 

[Jack V Savage]

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journa...-staff-homes-before-hillarys-campaign-launch/

Private off the record meeting with a stated goal of "(3) Framing the HRC message and framing the race".

CNN probably forgot to include this in their extensive wikileaks coverage.

Both candidates had those types of meetings, and all candidates do. The media talks with candidates to coordinate access.

For example:

http://www.businessinsider.com/dona...rd-cocktail-party-reporters-criticism-2016-12

That illustrates a point I made earlier. What people were clutching their pearls over was actually very normal stuff that they just weren't aware was normal.

 

[Lanx]

I don't know if I'd call it "fake", but their embedded journalists that covered the invasion of Iraq presented about as sanitised a view of war as possible.
24 hour footage of bloodless roadtrip by the looks of it.

just goto CNN.com it's all fake

 

[panamaican]

Ya I get it.... in my opinion, opinion pieces presented in a factual format are fake. There's no effort to give an unbiased report of the facts. They only report the things they want you to hear and omit everything else.

Omitting pertinent information is a form of lying

What I've saying in response to your position is that if that is your standard then you pretty much have to ignore every news source and the White House. Are you applying that standard across the board or only to specific perpetrators?

 

[Slippery Kantus]

CNN as an institution leaked no debate questions. Like every news organization, they have pundits who are affiliated with both parties, and one leaked a debate question. And CNN never met privately with Podesta to control coverage.

Lmao, you'll say anything to defend your tribe.

 

[ShoelessRye]

Re. the Podesta Dinner issue - It's SOP, even if it is rather unseemly and should probably be shitcanned like the WHCD. And it's not some top secret hidden thing -

 

[Broken arrow]

What I've saying in response to your position is that if that is your standard then you pretty much have to ignore every news source and the White House. Are you applying that standard across the board or only to specific perpetrators?

Yes, I agree. Both sides are guilty of extreme bias in there "reporting".
The majority of news is squewed to illicit the desired effect. The days of a journalist being above the bullshit and reporting the facts are long gone. True journalism is dead.

 

[ShoelessRye]

So all the folks who like to bleat "fake news" can post to nothing? A 24 hours cable news station and we have 1-2 stories pointed to?

And here's the thing - Trump Admin doesn't even believe it's fake news, it's just the hammer they use to attack the news who covers him unfavorably. His Deputy Comms guy flatly admitted as much when he let the mask slip while on a friendly conservative radio show -

Sebastian Gorka, deputy assistant to President Donald Trump, said Monday that the administration will continue using the term "fake news" until the media understands that their "monumental desire" to attack the President is wrong.
"There is a monumental desire on behalf of the majority of the media, not just the pollsters, the majority of the media to attack a duly elected President in the second eek of his term," Gorka, a former Breitbart editor who also holds a PhD in political science, told syndicated conservative radio host Michael Medved.
"That's how unhealthy the situation is and until the media understands how wrong that attitude is, and how it hurts their credibility, we are going to continue to say, 'fake news.' I'm sorry, Michael. That's the reality," he added.
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If you notice he clarifies "not just the pollsters" because during the campaign it was all about "fake polls" and while Trump won the Presidency based on the EC, polling pretty much nailed the national popular vote.

Gorka also sparred with a caller who contended that "every time you call everything fake news, it just turns everyone except your hardcore fans off."
"Not everything's fake news," the caller added.
"You know, I would beg to differ," Gorka shot back. "Every single organ that generates these kinds of stories comes from the same clique of media organs that predicted that Hillary (Clinton) would win and that Brexit wouldn't occur. I know what fake news is. And it's coming from those organizations. It's time that you yourself understood that as well."
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So that is his rationale, that news was wrong on calling very tight votes - Brexit IIRC polled within 2-3% points and Hillary in the week before the GE was polling ahead 3% nationally - I suspect both within the MOE. Being wrong on a prediction isn't "fake news", but of course the Admin knows as much, but calling news wrong isn't as damaging to them as calling them fake. Trump Admin is using the term as a weapon. Trump himself said "The leaks are real, the news is fake" for crying out loud.

 

[Jack V Savage]

What I've saying in response to your position is that if that is your standard then you pretty much have to ignore every news source and the White House. Are you applying that standard across the board or only to specific perpetrators?

If you're looking for an excuse to ignore information that challenges your assumptions and to feel like a victim, it's extremely easy, whoever you are and whatever those assumptions are. I think the goal should be understanding first.

I read the WSJ, Tyler Cowen, Megan McArdle, David Frum, the occasionally batshit but always interesting Claremont Review of Books, the NRO, Ross Douthat, Robert Frey, Eric Falkenstein, and many other right-wing sources in addition to stuff I'm more likely to agree with because you can't really understand your own position unless you hear it challenged intelligently. I don't get the desire of so many people to simultaneously follow politics obsessively and never be exposed to even centrist news. And it's the same people who screech about college kids somewhere acting the same way.

 

[klnOmega]

What I've saying in response to your position is that if that is your standard then you pretty much have to ignore every news source and the White House. Are you applying that standard across the board or only to specific perpetrators?

That's exactly what we've been saying. No one here is saying Fox and Breitbart is great. That's a strawman invented by your side. The fact is that we are in an extremely scary place with the media today. Almost 100% is just corporate-conglomerate PR firms with no standards or ethics. We have crossed far beyond the dystopian threshold, and there is almost no reliable to way to inform yourself about the world anymore.