Is CNN fake news??!?

[panamaican]

If you're looking for an excuse to ignore information that challenges your assumptions and to feel like a victim, it's extremely easy, whoever you are and whatever those assumptions are. I think the goal should be understanding first.

I read the WSJ, Tyler Cowen, Megan McArdle, David Frum, the occasionally batshit but always interesting Claremont Review of Books, the NRO, Ross Douthat, Robert Frey, Eric Falkenstein, and many other right-wing sources in addition to stuff I'm more likely to agree with because you can't really understand your own position unless you hear it challenged intelligently. I don't get the desire of so many people to simultaneously follow politics obsessively and never be exposed to even centrist news. And it's the same people who screech about college kids somewhere acting the same way.

I mentioned this is another thread and @Leagon clarified some points. People simply lack enough breadth of knowledge or depth of knowledge to apply critical thinking skills against so much information. So they default to what makes them feel most competent...which tends to be things that already agree with them and are superficial in depth.

 

[panamaican]

That's exactly what we've been saying. No one here is saying Fox and Breitbart is great. That's a strawman invented by your side. The fact is that we are in an extremely scary place with the media today. Almost 100% is just corporate-conglomerate PR firms with no standards or ethics. We have crossed far beyond the dystopian threshold, and there is almost no reliable to way to inform yourself about the world anymore.

How is that a strawman invented by my side? You don't even know what "my side" is.

My point, which is not what you've been saying, is that all of the "sources" are flawed. If you were saying what I'm saying then you would dismiss those sources with the same alacrity that you dismiss others.

Instead, people consistently say that "X is fake news...I know it because Y said so." The problem with that is that Y is just as flawed as X and so is a poor source for the veracity of X to begin with.

And in this case, the WH has is as flawed as the media sources it is attacking. Thus people should be dismissing the WH's interpretation of the media's stories as quickly as they are dismissing the media stories themselves.

But they're not. So, are you sure you're saying what I'm saying?

 

[klnOmega]

How is that a strawman invented by my side? You don't even know what "my side" is.

My point, which is not what you've been saying, is that all of the "sources" are flawed. If you were saying what I'm saying then you would dismiss those sources with the same alacrity that you dismiss others.

Everyone knows Breitbart is shit. Even people that go there will tell you that Brietbart is a Trump PR-firm. What more can I add to the discussion?
But NYT or Washington Post is scary. People don't know they are being misled. People who read them will really believe Pewdiepie is a neo-nazi or something. A lot of people don't realize how much they are being lied to.

Instead, people consistently say that "X is fake news...I know it because Y said so." The problem with that is that Y is just as flawed as X and so is a poor source for the veracity of X to begin with.

And in this case, the WH has is as flawed as the media sources it is attacking. Thus people should be dismissing the WH's interpretation of the media's stories as quickly as they are dismissing the media stories themselves.

But they're not. So, are you sure you're saying what I'm saying?

Everyone knows the Whitehouse should be dismissed. Does anyone in this thread believe Trump's inaugeration was bigger than Obamas? I think we all know and freely admit that Trump made that shit up. Again, its whats scary. EVERYONE is lying to us.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

Horowitz is misrepresenting the numbers for murder there. He chose an arbitrary low point of 2012 and compared it to 2016, rather than look at overall change (it's been slowly decreasing from the '90s).
Pretty clearly a propagandist and not a criminologist.
No idea why Lemon was going with state department numbers rather than the Swedes own bureau of statistics, but that wasn't "fake news" so much as incompetence.

At this point there is no difference between incompetence and fake news. If/when a program or publication rushes to release a story and that story is wrong it has the same effect as fake news. One side believes it and holds onto it as the truth and the other side exposes it and weakens the power of the media. At the very least people are being "gaslit" like crazy. Anybody concerned about Trump's authoritarian attack in the media should be equally concerned by his #1 accomplice, the MSM, for doing such a poor job. Not only have the been incompetent for the last 15 years, but it seems like they're getting worse.

 

[panamaican]

Everyone knows Breitbart is shit. Even people that go there will tell you that Brietbart is a Trump PR-firm. What more can I add to the discussion?
But NYT or Washington Post is scary. People don't know they are being misled. People who read them will really believe Pewdiepie is a neo-nazi or something. A lot of people don't realize how much they are being lied to.




Everyone knows the Whitehouse should be dismissed. Does anyone in this thread believe Trump's inaugeration was bigger than Obamas? I think we all know and freely admit that Trump made that shit up. Again, its whats scary. EVERYONE is lying to us.

And I'm saying that, no, we don't know that.

Every day, multiple times a day, people cite flawed sources as the basis of their knowledge that other sources are flawed.

Let's take the Pewdiepie thing for example. One source says he's a neo-nazi but the argument that he's not came from another flawed source (at least until he dropped his video). So, you didn't have people dismissing 2 flawed sources. You have people using flawed sources to "debunk" what they think are flawed sources.

That's happening everyday on this board by the very people who insist that "fake news" is their concern. I'm not talking about you and I'm not talking about me individually. I'm talking about the overall perspective from those claiming that CNN is "fake news" while using Breitbart or the WH as proof.

 

[klnOmega]

And I'm saying that, no, we don't know that.

Every day, multiple times a day, people cite flawed sources as the basis of their knowledge that other sources are flawed.

Let's take the Pewdiepie thing for example. One source says he's a neo-nazi but the argument that he's not came from another flawed source (at least until he dropped his video). So, you didn't have people dismissing 2 flawed sources. You have people using flawed sources to "debunk" what they think are flawed sources.

We didn't need another source to tell us he wasn't a neo-nazi. You could go verify that stuff for yourself and see that they just made shit up.

That's happening everyday on this board by the very people who insist that "fake news" is their concern. I'm not talking about you and I'm not talking about me individually. I'm talking about the overall perspective from those claiming that CNN is "fake news" while using Breitbart or the WH as proof.

Anyone that use Breitbart for "truth" is an idiot. I don't know how I can say it any better.

 

[panamaican]

We didn't need another source to tell us he wasn't a neo-nazi. You could go verify that stuff for yourself and see that they just made shit up.



Anyone that use Breitbart for "truth" is an idiot. I don't know how I can say it any better.

And yet it happens all of the time.

And unless you regularly follow PDP, how can anyone determine if he is/isn't a neo-nazi? My mom who doesn't play video games and never watches youtube is completely incapable of making that determination.

 

[freaky]

Faker than Sherdog.

 

[CargoKing]

If it's fake news than 99% of what's reposted here off YouTube is "fake hearsay".

Lol at anyone defending CNN. It's 10x worse than Fox ever was at its worst.

Complete and utter bullshit. It's amazing how everyone likes to pretend Fox was still practicing journalism during the Iraq debacle, while screaming about CNN.

 

[Lanx]

Are there any real journalists left? People that report the news regardless of political affiliation?

Journalism used to be a respected profession. Now they just seems like a bunch of whores

that's b/c of


Blogging, anyone could be a reporter now.

More kids get their news from Philip Defranco, than CNN/WSJ?NYT, combined.


this guy, who just did a Joe Rogan Podcast.

 

[Letssnuggle]

And I'm saying that, no, we don't know that.

Every day, multiple times a day, people cite flawed sources as the basis of their knowledge that other sources are flawed.

Let's take the Pewdiepie thing for example. One source says he's a neo-nazi but the argument that he's not came from another flawed source (at least until he dropped his video). So, you didn't have people dismissing 2 flawed sources. You have people using flawed sources to "debunk" what they think are flawed sources.

That's happening everyday on this board by the very people who insist that "fake news" is their concern. I'm not talking about you and I'm not talking about me individually. I'm talking about the overall perspective from those claiming that CNN is "fake news" while using Breitbart or the WH as proof.

Provide the list then of "non-flawed" sources.

We need to know since obviously we're not smart enough to figure out what's bullshit and what's not.

 

[Jack V Savage]

We didn't need another source to tell us he wasn't a neo-nazi. You could go verify that stuff for yourself and see that they just made shit up.

Did a good source actually post anything that was inaccurate? Can you link to what you're referring to?

 

[SafeSpace]

It's on par with tmz/national enquirer these days. Same with ny times and wash post.

 

[n...not crazy]

I read their site for years, but it has gone bonkers the last few so I dropped it. It's almost 100% opinion. Their editing of the whacko woman footage (who needs her weaves) was the final nail in the coffin out of about 500.

 

[dontsnitch]

I read their site for years, but it has gone bonkers the last few so I dropped it. It's almost 100% opinion. Their editing of the whacko woman footage (who needs her weaves) was the final nail in the coffin out of about 500.

I pulled the plug when they referred to the terrorist attack in Nice as a "Truck crash".

 

[Sir Galahad]

CNN is #1 followed by MSNBC in fake ass news.

 

[panamaican]

Provide the list then of "non-flawed" sources.

We need to know since obviously we're not smart enough to figure out what's bullshit and what's not.

I didn't say there was a list. You're jumping in towards the end of this conversation. Several pages back, another poster set out his criteria for "fake news", that's what we've been using for this discussion.

So, if you really want to know...go back to where this exchange began and look at his standards. Then you can use that to create your own list.

 

[JJHouse]

IT’S OFFICIAL! Federal Judge Finds CNN GUILTY of Pushing ‘Fake News’ (This Is NOT Satire)


http://clashdaily.com/2017/02/offic...&utm_medium=facebook.com&utm_campaign=lasmpfb

 

[Fox by the Sea]

cnn is hardly news. it's basically editorial 24/7

 

[Ruprecht]

How do you blame this on I'm migrants when the migrant crisis didn't start until 2013 and the graph line rises steadily since 1980 and mostly leveled out since 1996. By your own info., the recent wave of immigration can account for little more than 10% of the increase of these types of crimes since 1980.

Do you know how to read a graph?

Try sourcing that graph or the numbers. It's not from the BRA, that's for sure.
Assault has also been slowly but steadily decreasing.