Is casein protein just as important as whey?

[Deaths Head]

casein is generally considered more effective than whey protein if your primary goal is to prevent muscle breakdown and feel full for longer periods, due to its slow digestion rate,


That’s not bro science how is that possible when it’s been studied to death ?


Most people don't need whey protein to meet their protein requirements if they're eating a healthy diet.”

Quality of Raw Materials. The primary factor influencing the price of casein protein supplements is the quality of the raw materials. High-quality milk from grass-fed cows tends to be more expensive but offers better nutritional value and fewer contaminants.

A steady flow of amino acids in the bloodstream is necessary because amino acids are the building blocks of proteins, and a consistent supply is crucial for vital bodily functions like muscle growth, tissue repair, hormone production, and overall protein synthesis throughout the body; maintaining a balanced level ensures optimal performance of these functions.
fact, the opposite is true - to build muscle, you need to be in an anabolic state during sleep, which means your body is actively repairing and building muscle tissue, not breaking it down (catabolic).

Casein protein can take up to eight hours to fully digest. It's a slow-acting protein that's digested at half the speed of whey protein


maintaining existing proteins within a cell is generally considered more important than constantly making new ones because cells rely on a stable and functional proteome to carry out their essential functions; this means replacing old or damaged proteins with new ones as needed through a process called protein turnover, but not rapidly creating entirely new protein populations without reason, this what Cassein does not whey which supports making new ones . You can’t build more muscle on whey alone you can with Cassein bc it maintains your current cells and gets rid of damaged ones .

I guess this is bro science I don’t know ? Bro science wasn’t a thing when I started lifting it was just common knowledge getting multiple protein sources not buying a jar of whey isolate which began in the 90”s ? Whey isolate benefits ppl looking to cut out extra fat but it’s not ideal for bulking or extra calories

products.

Foods that contain casein

• Dairy: Milk, cream, half and half, yogurt, sour cream, butter, cheese, ice cream, pudding, custard

Foods that contain whey

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  Milk: Whey makes up about 20% of the protein in milk
  
  Ricotta cheese: A good dietary source of whey protein

Casein in milk is 80% , one cannot build quality muscle without milk no one can convince me just taking whey works better I know it don’t I’ve been lifting for almost 40 years . Unless you were vegan or did plant based protein which is a pain in the ass you at least need milk as a foundation as it’s easy to consume and convenient,Cassein makes up most of majority of bulk , whey does not maintain muscle mass like casein properties can .



Ingesting both is ideal bc they synergistically work together one recycles and maintains protein structure and whey creates new protein synthesis but basically you need the casein fir maintaining and quality control of the proteins themselves.

 

[stevenandrew]

Casein isn’t better for recovery it’s purpose woukd be to keep your body in an Anobolic state throughout the day /night , Whey is quicker absorbed in the body initially it’s best for the first flow of amino acids back in the bloodstream post work out session within 1/2 hours . Slow absorption protein is best bf bed obviously bc it helps keeping the body anabolic.

There is no this or that one , personally my stomach never agreed with just a 100% whey product it upset it . I always used cassein if I had the choice and or a multi protein source that has variety so you get different times the proteins break down in the body . socialmediagirls forum

thank you for your suggestion

 

[Trabaho]

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A steady flow of amino acids in the bloodstream is necessary because amino acids are the building blocks of proteins, and a consistent supply is crucial for vital bodily functions like muscle growth, tissue repair, hormone production, and overall protein synthesis throughout the body; maintaining a balanced level ensures optimal performance of these functions.
fact, the opposite is true - to build muscle, you need to be in an anabolic state during sleep, which means your body is actively repairing and building muscle tissue, not breaking it down (catabolic).

Total bullshit. When you sleep you need to rest. You don't need to digest protein 24/7. Fasting is natural and healthy.
Companies want you to think that to buy powders.

Eating meat veggies and potatoes is slower absorbing than just a casein shake.

Those studys are relesed by big protein powder.

Your body does not need food non stop. Give your digestion rest too.

We didn't evolve on eating 5x a day.

Grand sheme of things it doesn't mater.

You gotta think for yourself, not just repeat what they told you.

 

[Belaya Smert]

The meathead that i claim as a workout partner swears by it at bed time. He’s probably coating his stomach for Deep Eddys Vodka and Redbull full disclosure.
Maybe ask Dr Mike? Idk

 

[Deaths Head]

Total bullshit. When you sleep you need to rest. You don't need to digest protein 24/7. Fasting is natural and healthy.
Companies want you to think that to buy powders.

Eating meat veggies and potatoes is slower absorbing than just a casein shake.

Those studys are relesed by big protein poweder.

Your body does not need food non stop. Give your digestion rest too.

We didn't evolve on eating 5x a day.

Grand sheme of things it doesn't mater.

You gotta think for yourself, not just repeat what they told you.

Sorry but you have no idea what your talking about ,when you sleep it’s the most important time to keep your blood levels activivated with aminos that’s why you put a slow absorption protein in the blood stream bc it prevents muscles breakdown when you aren’t consuming anything over night .

You don’t even lift weights for bodybuilding so why are you even trying to give me advice ?

This link explains it pretty clearly , anyone who really wants to build muscle listens to guys like me bc I know to grow muscle you first have to prevent the actual breakdown of muscle tissue this is first bf protein synthesis bc extra proteins are discarded anyway no matter how fast you build extra muscle , the best way fir muscular growth is to keep the body in an anabolic state ,synthesis happens anyway and has a at least a 3 hr time period after a strenuous workout so whey protein is not necessary as cassein . No amount of articles trying to say otherwise will change that .

https://legionathletics.com/does-protein-timing-really-matter/?srsltid=AfmBOorCA20XxgDBf-u5sN6BvIiUh9UbNIkbrrbYBQcW2lCJW_Nnki1c

 

[Trabaho]

Sorry but you have no idea what your talking about ,when you sleep it’s the most important time to keep your blood levels activivated with aminos that’s why you put a slow absorption protein in the blood stream bc it prevents muscles breakdown when you aren’t consuming anything over night .

You don’t even lift weights for bodybuilding so why are you even trying to give me advice ?

This link explains it pretty clearly , anyone who really wants to build muscle listens to guys like me bc I know to grow muscle you first have to prevent the actual breakdown of muscle tissue this is first bf protein synthesis bc extra proteins are discarded anyway no matter how fast you build extra muscle , the best way fir muscular growth is to keep the body in an anabolic state ,synthesis happens anyway and has a at least a 3 hr time period after a strenuous workout so whey protein is not necessary as cassein . No amount of articles trying to say otherwise will change that .

https://legionathletics.com/does-protein-timing-really-matter/?srsltid=AfmBOorCA20XxgDBf-u5sN6BvIiUh9UbNIkbrrbYBQcW2lCJW_Nnki1c

so you gotta have aminos 7/24 in your blood streams cause elswise your body breaks down your muscle. Body has glucose and fat stored. But if you go without aminos in the system for a few hours you lose muscle. That's quiet extremistic. Also what about the benefits of fasting and giving your digestion rest.


The article says if you didn't eat any protein for a whole day you don't lose muscle.

I mean what weight and bf do you have ? You talk like you were Jay Cutler and gotta take every waking and sleeping opportunity to build more muscle.

 

[Trabaho]

Sorry but you have no idea what your talking about ,when you sleep it’s the most important time to keep your blood levels activivated with aminos that’s why you put a slow absorption protein in the blood stream bc it prevents muscles breakdown when you aren’t consuming anything over night .

You don’t even lift weights for bodybuilding so why are you even trying to give me advice ?

This link explains it pretty clearly , anyone who really wants to build muscle listens to guys like me bc I know to grow muscle you first have to prevent the actual breakdown of muscle tissue this is first bf protein synthesis bc extra proteins are discarded anyway no matter how fast you build extra muscle , the best way fir muscular growth is to keep the body in an anabolic state ,synthesis happens anyway and has a at least a 3 hr time period after a strenuous workout so whey protein is not necessary as cassein . No amount of articles trying to say otherwise will change that .

https://legionathletics.com/does-protein-timing-really-matter/?srsltid=AfmBOorCA20XxgDBf-u5sN6BvIiUh9UbNIkbrrbYBQcW2lCJW_Nnki1c

Photos from the article and website you cited :
You are a good customer. Good boy.

 

[Deaths Head]

Photos from th article and website you cited :
You are a good customer. Good boy.


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You obviously didn’t read the whole article bc ur explains the importance of keeping protein in the body . It clearly says it’s ideal to eat multiple meals per day as opposed to less big ones . So your still wrong .

 

[Deaths Head]

so you gotta have aminos 7/24 in your blood streams cause elswise your body breaks down your muscle. Body has glucose and far stored. But if you go without aminos in the system for a few hours you lose muscle. That's quiet extremistic. Also what abour the benefits of fasting and giving your digestion rest.


The article.says if you didn't eat any protein for a whole day you don't lose muscle.

I mean what weight and bf fo you have ? You talk like you were Jay Cutler and gotta take every waking and sleeping opportunity to build more muscle.

The article says if you are an athlete and don’t replace the break down of protein to new music fiber ratio you don’t get bigger . That is a fact . Normal ppl don’t lose muscle bc they aren’t breaking down the body you forgot to include that part .

I didn’t say anything about fasting or digestion. I don’t know why your using smiley faces either ? If you can’t comprehend steady amino acid supply is necessary without adequate protein intake, the body can shift towards a catabolic state where it starts breaking down muscle tissue then we shouldn’t even be discussing anything here bc you lack the basic knowledge of building muscle I know this already bc I saw pics of you and vids you aren’t the most athletic person no offense .

 

[Deaths Head]

thank you for your suggestion

Another suggestion is don’t listen to anyone who doesn’t at least look the part ,your body primarily grows more muscle while you sleep because this is when your body releases growth hormones that are crucial for muscle repair and rebuilding damaged muscle tissue after exercise; essentially, sleep is the period where your body actively works to restore and grow muscle fibers.

Growth hormones actually regulate the protein synthesis this happens the most when the body is sleeping it’s vital to get slow ingesting proteins during a state of sleep bc the body slows down proteins absorption rate this is why you build muscke more during sleep it’s at its most anabolic state ,whey protein is not needed during this time . This is just facts but I’m sure I’m going to get more replies telling something else .

I haven’t even taken Whey protein in over 20 years ,you simply can’t build overall quality muscle without some sort of Cassein that’s why it’s in the majority of the major foods one eats . Know who your actually talking to bc some of these guys giving advice ? Ha ha

This is me my most current pic at 50:and I haven’t even been in the gym in over 6 years . The second pic is 2 years ago after a work out doing boxing stuff outside. I don’t know it all but my moneys on the guy who started in 1986 most these guys weren’t even born yet but I get it I’m on a public forum so everyone knows everything o forget sometimes. Lol

 

[Trabaho]

Jay Cutler doesn't eat any dairy he probably only uses whey and not casein. Your body accumaltes protein eaten during the day and uses it to repair muscles for days during night and day. Casein is just in dairy, there are milions people out there who don't consume dairy and casein and are big.

It's ok. You don't get my points. I personaly eat cheese and drink lots milk and dairy. I can digest it well.

Your body is fine if you eat at 7 and sleep at 11 without a pre bed shake.

 

[Trabaho]

Bruh I can do that second pose too, squeeze the tits don't show the belly. I mean you're in shape and you're 45+.
You don't gotta understand my teachings, it's fine.

 

[1rawdog]

Damn I said I was out but y'all pulled me back in. Driven to comment now that I have a more clear picture of what I'm dealing with. I get it now.

Another suggestion is don’t listen to anyone who doesn’t at least look the part ,

I don't believe that for a second. I may have mentioned this already but that's straight up in line with the Appeal to Authority fallacy. I know plenty of ifbb pro card holders that don't know their ass from a hole in the ground. The factually correct info is what matters, it doesn't matter a bit where it came from.
The worst part is how incredibly ironic it is to say "don't listen to anyone who doesn't look the part" in a conversation about hypertrophy and then chose to post those pics. Get over yourself man.
If articles like that are what you cite as your source for info the gaps in understanding make sense now. That article and the last batch of posts are both choc full of bullshit. Misinterpretations at best from them and you and sales driven snake-oily shit from them for sure.
All but one of the study links I clicked on are at least 16 years old, there is a lot of newer and better run studies since then. Oldschool is cool for sure. It's amazing what the guys before us were able to prove was effective despite limited resources, friggin amazing. Aren't we talking about optimum though? There is so much better science out now nearly every year. I'm a decade older than you bro, if you want to push your limits I think you owe it to yourself to stay up to date. By all means stick with what you know works for you and you are comfortable with if that's your choice but it's irresponsible to claim things as fact that you can't back up, your wasting peoples time and energy if they buy it.

Case in point, you said "...you build muscke more during sleep it’s at its most anabolic state ,whey protein is not needed during this time..." pretty ballsy statement to make after you nor anyone else here has been able to answer the question I asked about that way back in the thread. I still have an open mind about my question but I'll say right here that in it's context that is just a stupid statement.

PS this wasn't intended to be all about you but about posting incorrect info, @Trabaho has been a little off on some points too but he hasn't claimed expertise. Opinions yes. Bullshit stated as fact, nope.

I have this funny feeling we aren't gonna be friends after all.

 

[Trabaho]

Damn I said I was out but y'all pulled me back in. Driven to comment now that I have a more clear picture of what I'm dealing with. I get it now.

I don't believe that for a second. I may have mentioned this already but that's straight up in line with the Appeal to Authority fallacy. I know plenty of ifbb pro card holders that don't know their ass from a hole in the ground. The factually correct info is what matters, it doesn't matter a bit where it came from.
The worst part is how incredibly ironic it is to say "don't listen to anyone who doesn't look the part" in a conversation about hypertrophy and then chose to post those pics. Get over yourself man.
If articles like that are what you cite as your source for info the gaps in understanding make sense now. That article and the last batch of posts are both choc full of bullshit. Misinterpretations at best from them and you and sales driven snake-oily shit from them for sure.
All but one of the study links I clicked on are at least 16 years old, there is a lot of newer and better run studies since then. Oldschool is cool for sure. It's amazing what the guys before us were able to prove was effective despite limited resources, friggin amazing. Aren't we talking about optimum though? There is so much better science out now nearly every year. I'm a decade older than you bro, if you want to push your limits I think you owe it to yourself to stay up to date. By all means stick with what you know works for you and you are comfortable with if that's your choice but it's irresponsible to claim things as fact that you can't back up, your wasting peoples time and energy if they buy it.

Case in point, you said "...you build muscke more during sleep it’s at its most anabolic state ,whey protein is not needed during this time..." pretty ballsy statement to make after you nor anyone else here has been able to answer the question I asked about that way back in the thread. I still have an open mind about my question but I'll say right here that in it's context that is just a stupid statement.

PS this wasn't intended to be all about you but about posting incorrect info, @Trabaho has been a little off on some points too but he hasn't claimed expertise. Opinions yes. Bullshit stated as fact, nope.

I don´t think it matters. If you wanna have a casein shake before bad, it´s fine ? Generally considering most people don´t consume casein shakes and half don´t eat dairy, I will say none of it is irreplacable. Whey is a easy high quality protein source, you can drink 50 gram of protein with little extrra caloreis in 30 seconds, at least I can. It´s easy and does work. Now if you wanna have casein 1 hour before bed, ok ? Is anything special about casein, no. There are other slower digesting protein sources, and I´m team whole foods. I eat cheese and don´t drink casein. I eat a lot of veggies and fruits and dairy and meat. I don´t need anything slow absorbing. So I don´t even get what you need. Why do you call it important ? It´s literaly just powdered cheese protein. Is cottage cheese as important as whey ? Are eggs important ? Fish, beef, chicken ? Casein is slow absorbing, but way faster in liquid form than eating meat with veggies and rice. So what is the special point.

I have this funny feeling we aren't gonna be friends after all.

You disagree with your offline friends too. Me and @Deaths Head are keeping it respectful. We just don´t agree on this. Doesn´t mean we don´t agree on other stuff. Just like offline. There is no issue here. Half of it is just missing each others points, well people got different understandings and grasps.

 

[1rawdog]

Why do you call it important ? It´s literaly just powdered cheese protein. Is cottage cheese as important as whey ? Are eggs important ? Fish, beef, chicken ? Casein is slow absorbing, but way faster in liquid form than eating meat with veggies and rice. So what is the special point.

Sorry but I'm confused, are you asking me personally these questions? I don't think any complete protein is anymore important than any other complete protein. Some people including our friend disagree. My interest in this thread has to do with the oft repeated thing about casein being better for hypertrophy before bed. I'll refer you to the first post I made in this thread, hopefully my position is clear -

"Just as important as whey. And Beef. And Chicken. And Fish. And Eggs.
What everybody should have is protein that has a complete amino acid profile.
There is nothing special about the source other than how it fits into your lifestyle and how your body reacts to it. ie some people are not tolerant of lactose or eggs.

Yes casein absorbs more slowly than whey. So? People seem to assume that this is better for hypertrophy and recovery because it seems like simple logic. Where is the proof of that? Not saying it's not true but I've never seen it."

You disagree with your offline friends too. Me and @Deaths Head are keeping it respectful. We just don´t agree on this. Doesn´t mean we don´t agree on other stuff. Just like offline. There is no issue here. Half of it is just missing each others points, well people got different understandings and grasps.

That was a half joking reply, the context being that I told him in another post where we were disagreeing that I wanted to be friends but I suspect he is not gonna love that last post. I have no real personal issue either, I just disagree with some types of posts.

 

[Trabaho]

Sorry but I'm confused, are you asking me personally these questions? I don't think any complete protein is anymore important than any other complete protein. Some people including our friend disagree. My interest in this thread has to do with the oft repeated thing about casein being better for hypertrophy before bed. I'll refer you to the first post I made in this thread, hopefully my position is clear -

"Just as important as whey. And Beef. And Chicken. And Fish. And Eggs.
What everybody should have is protein that has a complete amino acid profile.
There is nothing special about the source other than how it fits into your lifestyle and how your body reacts to it. ie some people are not tolerant of lactose or eggs.

Yes casein absorbs more slowly than whey. So? People seem to assume that this is better for hypertrophy and recovery because it seems like simple logic. Where is the proof of that? Not saying it's not true but I've never seen it."

That was a half joking reply, the context being that I told him in another post where we were disagreeing that I wanted to be friends but I suspect he is not gonna love that last post. I have no real personal issue either, I just disagree with some types of posts.

Yeah I just noticed after posting that you said the same exact thing as I did. I somehow thought you were the threadstarter. It's a old thread, I didn't care but to read the last reply.

 

[Deaths Head]

Damn I said I was out but y'all pulled me back in. Driven to comment now that I have a more clear picture of what I'm dealing with. I get it now.

I don't believe that for a second. I may have mentioned this already but that's straight up in line with the Appeal to Authority fallacy. I know plenty of ifbb pro card holders that don't know their ass from a hole in the ground. The factually correct info is what matters, it doesn't matter a bit where it came from.
The worst part is how incredibly ironic it is to say "don't listen to anyone who doesn't look the part" in a conversation about hypertrophy and then chose to post those pics. Get over yourself man.
If articles like that are what you cite as your source for info the gaps in understanding make sense now. That article and the last batch of posts are both choc full of bullshit. Misinterpretations at best from them and you and sales driven snake-oily shit from them for sure.
All but one of the study links I clicked on are at least 16 years old, there is a lot of newer and better run studies since then. Oldschool is cool for sure. It's amazing what the guys before us were able to prove was effective despite limited resources, friggin amazing. Aren't we talking about optimum though? There is so much better science out now nearly every year. I'm a decade older than you bro, if you want to push your limits I think you owe it to yourself to stay up to date. By all means stick with what you know works for you and you are comfortable with if that's your choice but it's irresponsible to claim things as fact that you can't back up, your wasting peoples time and energy if they buy it.

Case in point, you said "...you build muscke more during sleep it’s at its most anabolic state ,whey protein is not needed during this time..." pretty ballsy statement to make after you nor anyone else here has been able to answer the question I asked about that way back in the thread. I still have an open mind about my question but I'll say right here that in it's context that is just a stupid statement.

PS this wasn't intended to be all about you but about posting incorrect info, @Trabaho has been a little off on some points too but he hasn't claimed expertise. Opinions yes. Bullshit stated as fact, nope.

I have this funny feeling we aren't gonna be friends after all.

One cannot preach if they don’t live the lifestyle or have the experience necessary. Both you guys proved my point all you did was talk in circles of one another ( Im dropping out of that one you guys can do it ) If the OP is smart he’ll carefully disguard both your comments bc all your trying to do is counter anything I say .

I laid out a clear and easy way to do protein correctly and I even backed it up with articles and explained each one you wanted science I gave you it and you just push the goal posts every time .

It’s o.k I’m done here I’m not here fir you I’m here fir the OP I’m pretty sure he knows who he should listing to . Have a good one .

 

[1rawdog]

One cannot preach if they don’t live the lifestyle or have the experience necessary. Both you guys proved my point all you did was talk in circles of one another ( Im dropping out of that one you guys can do it ) If the OP is smart he’ll carefully disguard both your comments bc all your trying to do is counter anything I say .

I laid out a clear and easy way to do protein correctly and I even backed it up with articles and explained each one you wanted science I gave you it and you just push the goal posts every time .

It’s o.k I’m done here I’m not here fir you I’m here fir the OP I’m pretty sure he knows who he should listing to . Have a good one .

Had a guy stick a gun in my face once and tell me he was gonna kill me, blow my head off etc. Today I saw a friend at the gym who was there when it happened, we've had previous discussions about the ignorance of appeal to authority. We had a good laugh about your comments in this thread especially with regard to it being illustrated by pictures that do not support your claim of expertise if an expert must look the part.
Have a look at Chris Aceto sometime, he does have some past experience but doesn't live the lifestyle or look the part. Hell he might have less muscle than you.
I guess nobody better listen to him. I mean Jay Cutler, Shawn Rhoden, Nick Walker and the other 40 or 50 guys and gals he has trained that won Mr Olympia and over 100 other comps do listen to him but by your rules he can't preach.
My friend said 'Yeah remember when Steve freaked out and said he was gonna blow your head off ? He don't exactly look like a ballistics expert or a doctor, I guess you should have told him he couldn't possibly know what he was talking about cause he didn't look the part and he should pull the trigger'
For the record I just sat still until he walked away, I think it was the right call rather than ask for his credentials. The OP seems like a smart enough guy, if he is still bothering to read this thread I'm sure he'll be fine but really he got his answer in the first 5 or so posts anyways.

You have just enough knowledge to be dangerous, but in the end gave garbage and half truths at best and pics that by your rules prove you don't know shit.

Thank god for the dozen or so guys on here that can at least provide some decent reasoning to back up what they say when someone questions it.

 

[Deaths Head]

Had a guy stick a gun in my face once and tell me he was gonna kill me, blow my head off etc. Today I saw a friend at the gym who was there when it happened, we've had previous discussions about the ignorance of appeal to authority. We had a good laugh about your comments in this thread especially with regard to it being illustrated by pictures that do not support your claim of expertise if an expert must look the part.
Have a look at Chris Aceto sometime, he does have some past experience but doesn't live the lifestyle or look the part. Hell he might have less muscle than you.
I guess nobody better listen to him. I mean Jay Cutler, Shawn Rhoden, Nick Walker and the other 40 or 50 guys and gals he has trained that won Mr Olympia and over 100 other comps do listen to him but by your rules he can't preach.
My friend said 'Yeah remember when Steve freaked out and said he was gonna blow your head off ? He don't exactly look like a ballistics expert or a doctor, I guess you should have told him he couldn't possibly know what he was talking about cause he didn't look the part and he should pull the trigger'
For the record I just sat still until he walked away, I think it was the right call rather than ask for his credentials. The OP seems like a smart enough guy, if he is still bothering to read this thread I'm sure he'll be fine but really he got his answer in the first 5 or so posts anyways.

You have just enough knowledge to be dangerous, but in the end gave garbage and half truths at best and pics that by your rules prove you don't know shit.

Thank god for the dozen or so guys on here that can at least provide some decent reasoning to back up what they say when someone questions it.

All those guys are on roids they don’t apply to the sound advice I gave however I’ll put you in this group you can laugh at this .

 

[Deaths Head]

Had a guy stick a gun in my face once and tell me he was gonna kill me, blow my head off etc. Today I saw a friend at the gym who was there when it happened, we've had previous discussions about the ignorance of appeal to authority. We had a good laugh about your comments in this thread especially with regard to it being illustrated by pictures that do not support your claim of expertise if an expert must look the part.
Have a look at Chris Aceto sometime, he does have some past experience but doesn't live the lifestyle or look the part. Hell he might have less muscle than you.
I guess nobody better listen to him. I mean Jay Cutler, Shawn Rhoden, Nick Walker and the other 40 or 50 guys and gals he has trained that won Mr Olympia and over 100 other comps do listen to him but by your rules he can't preach.
My friend said 'Yeah remember when Steve freaked out and said he was gonna blow your head off ? He don't exactly look like a ballistics expert or a doctor, I guess you should have told him he couldn't possibly know what he was talking about cause he didn't look the part and he should pull the trigger'
For the record I just sat still until he walked away, I think it was the right call rather than ask for his credentials. The OP seems like a smart enough guy, if he is still bothering to read this thread I'm sure he'll be fine but really he got his answer in the first 5 or so posts anyways.

You have just enough knowledge to be dangerous, but in the end gave garbage and half truths at best and pics that by your rules prove you don't know shit.

Thank god for the dozen or so guys on here that can at least provide some decent reasoning to back up what they say when someone questions it.

I’m also a strength champion even in my early 20”s so laugh at that as well but I promise you no matter what slick shit you post on here I’ll ALWAYS have the last laugh show your friends this make sure they laugh you also talk about guns but it sounds to me like you didn’t know what to do ?

I got a gun pointed to my head in a place and took it away from the the guy and I gave it back to him and told him to leave while he still can …LEVELS . .lol