Opinion Is anti-Zionism anti-Semitisn

[El Panteron]

Also I'd add there's tons of anti-Zionist jews, but of course there's tons of pro-police black folks so take it as you will.

 

[Goutfather]

lots of people are both because there is almost 100% overlap between jews and zionists. look at all the powerful people who are pushing anti-american policies and programs, and you’ll see they’re disproportionately pro-israel, and coincidentally they’re also jewish. when it comes to israel’s interests, it’s all about closed borders, ethnic solidarity, and overwhelming force against the enemy. but when it comes to the usa’s interests, they’re all about open borders, diversity, and hamstringing law enforcement. people look at that and they see a pattern.

 

[El Panteron]

lots of people are both because there is almost 100% overlap between jews and zionists. look at all the powerful people who are pushing anti-american policies and programs, and you’ll see they’re disproportionately pro-israel, and coincidentally they’re also jewish. when it comes to israel’s interests, it’s all about closed borders, ethnic solidarity, and overwhelming force against the enemy. but when it comes to the usa’s interests, they’re all about open borders, diversity, and hamstringing law enforcement. people look at that and they see a pattern.

Damn

 

[ObsoleteSoul]

Nope....some of us don't like the concept of ethnostates or ethnic cleansing in the case of "ancestral" entitlement.

Yep.

Which is crazy to me because there are many Jews who love to claim anti-zionism as anti-jewish, yet they are still living in the US. This place should be for the natives too then. Of course, they wouldn't be for that.

 

[kflo]

Also I'd add there's tons of anti-Zionist jews, but of course there's tons of pro-police black folks so take it as you will.

anti-zionist jews are a tiny minority of jews.

 

[kflo]

this thread will not go well.................

 

[SandisLL]

If about Afganistan . ...to talk about " bad west " and bad zionists arabs should remember that there was 1979-1989 war in Afganistan.

Soviet Union had installed pro paratroopers in Afganistan and continued peace mission with addition : mandarory military service conscripts.
Against anti soviet opinion in Afganistan during 10 years had been used approx 160 000 mandatory military service conscripts from Ukraine , mainly lads 19-21 y.o ...this is without commisioned officers ( leutenant rank and above ).
De Nazification mission in Afganistan had failed despite Kremlin then had support from Warshaw block and also from Ukraine...ofc also meat.

 

[Andy Capp]

I feel it is, but am willing to be convinced otherwise.

First, the obvious is that being anti Zionist is a convenient cover for being an anti-Semite, but that doesn’t prove the position.

The way I see it, without having their own country there is nothing that protects Jews worldwide from the will of the majority they live among. Countless examples in history to back that up.

Also one of the points Hitler made in his book to convince his followers that Jews were vermin is that they had no nation state.

Define anti-Zionist. Because there is a world of difference between criticising the government of Israel and criticising Jews generally for wanting/having a safe place to live.

Netanyahu has long pushed the idea that any criticism of his government's actions is denying Israel's right to exist and it seems he's found a legion of sympathetic listeners among the stupid.

 

[UberHere]

Define anti-Zionist. Because there is a world of difference between criticising the government of Israel and criticising Jews generally for wanting/having a safe place to live.

Netanyahu has long pushed the idea that any criticism of his government's actions is denying Israel's right to exist and it seems he's found a legion of sympathetic listeners among the stupid.

I’ll go with the movement for Jews to have their own state in what is now Israel.

 

[fedorthegoat777]

Mostly, yes. It's a good cover.

Instead of admitting you want to see all the Jews taken on rail carts and burned to death in concentration camps, you can just say you want their home state eliminated.

Then when it becomes more politically popular, you can go back to burning them.

 

[UberHere]

Mostly, yes. It's a good cover.

Instead of admitting you want to see all the Jews taken on rail carts and burned to death in concentration camps, you can just say you want their home state eliminated.

Then when it becomes more politically popular, you can go back to burning them.

That’s how I see it.

 

[evergreenrider]

No. Many non jews are rabid zionists.

 

[El Panteron]

anti-zionist jews are a tiny minority of jews.

Yup, still very many of them, raw numbers-wise.

 

[ObsoleteSoul]

No. Many non jews are rabid zionists.

Those who believe otherwise would call them Uncle Ta'oms

 

[Andy Capp]

I’ll go with the movement for Jews to have their own state in what is now Israel.

Then I would say it depends.

 

[kflo]

Yup, still very many of them, raw numbers-wise.

they are a tiny % of jews, and jews are a tiny % of the population.

 

[Rational Poster]

Eh, it's a tricky thing, as there's obvious antisemitism fueling that but, at the same time, the Syrians and the Arabs aren't really currently committing a genocide.
I do think the Afghanistan comparison is better as what they're doing to the country is probably as harmful, but on the left there's big anti-USA and anti-colonialism sentiment going on, it can get tangled with the consequences of colonial wars we're seeing. Could lead some to justify or better contextualise all the taliban shit and be less outraged.
Also we're actively helping the talibans in WAY more subtle ways than we do with Israel. Not everyone knows they're funding themselves with heroin, while most people know US and Europe is showering Israel with guns.

I mean, neither is Israel committing genocide.

Exponentially more people have been killed in both the Syrian and Yemeni civil wars. But no one calls those civil wars genocide. Though if any were close it would definitely be the Yemeni conflict, not the other two.

Attaching genocide to these conflicts is not fair to actual victims of real genocides that have taken place where people were killed just for their ethnicity, not through acts of war.

 

[Goutfather]

Damn

 

[Daverisimo]

No, and conflating Jewish people with the Israeli state is itself antisemitic.

That's not to say that there aren't antisemites who use antizionsm as cover, but there are also antisemitic zionists. Hell, I'd argue that Christian zionism is inherently antisemitic, and that ideology is a major pillar of America's support of Israel. There are even self-evowed neo-Nazis (like Richard Spencer) who are ardent supporters of Israel because 1) more jews living in Israel means fewer jews living in "white" countries, and 2) it provides a model of the kind of ethnostate they want to build. None of this should be surprising if you know anything about the history of zionism. In fact, Theodor Herzl, the man who essentially created political zionism, predicted this over century ago.

The anti-Semites will become our most dependable friends, the anti-Semitic countries our allies

 

[filthybliss]

I mean, neither is Israel committing genocide.

Exponentially more people have been killed in both the Syrian and Yemeni civil wars. But no one calls those civil wars genocide. Though if any were close it would definitely be the Yemeni conflict, not the other two.

Attaching genocide to these conflicts is not fair to actual victims of real genocides that have taken place where people were killed just for their ethnicity, not through acts of war.

Kill count is a lousy way to define a genocide. At the very least, it is undeniable that Israel is participating in a ethnic cleansing campaign in the West Bank.