Is Anthony Joshua the worst of the best?

[cuban23]

Talent wise, Joshua is the most talented HW. No one with his combination of hand speed, punching power, and size. I don't really consider Usyk a true HW, he's more of a blown up CW.

With that said, it doesn't mean he isn't flawed. He's the most mentally weak HW of that mentioned list, and is susceptible to losing to anyone on any night.

When you factor big wins and pro accomplishments, I think he probably is somewhere near the bottom. Not the worst.

 

[randomg1t]

Frazier was a world class fighter. Otto Wallin is a journey man

which is wildly besides the point that you're replying to.

 

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which is wildly besides the point that you're replying to.

so if a journey man gives you hell and I knock him out in 3, you can still say styles make fights?

 

[randomg1t]

so if a journey man gives you hell and I knock him out in 3, you can still say styles make fights?

yes.

anything else you need help with?

 

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yes.

anything else you need help with?

Oh really got any examples of that?

 

[StopDucking]

yes.

anything else you need help with?

The guy you’re entertaining got banned on 10 different accounts for shitposting.

Just wanted to let you know.

 

[treelo]

what is the moron saying, all i get to see is this

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

what is the moron saying, all i get to see is this
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He's just being a jackass as usual. You're not missing anything.

 

[burningspear]

We cant underestimate the humiliation of the Ruiz fight, crossing the pond, bearing the UK standard. And aesthetically it looked ridiculous, accentuating the embarrassment.
Tough to come back from and I guess he never really did?

 

[treelo]

We cant underestimate the humiliation of the Ruiz fight, crossing the pond, bearing the UK standard. And aesthetically it looked ridiculous, accentuating the embarrassment.
Tough to come back from and I guess he never really did?

sometimes being knocked out really changes a fighter, and it did in this case, he just looked a bit gunshy and i think putting him in an immediate rematch probably wasnt the best thing to do, regardless of how he performed

i think someone like Lewis did it perfect, he had a change of trainer, so took a few fights that he was never really going to lose to get his new style and his confidence back, although i did feel a bit sorry for Justin Fortune, that was a lamb to the slaughter and im not sure what Lewis really learnt from that fight other than he has a great uppercut

 

[randomg1t]

Oh really got any examples of that?

of you being retarded?

i imagine your post history should provide enough material for a while.

 

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He's just being a jackass as usual. You're not missing anything.

No im not. The counter example to Otto Wallin TS gave was of a WORLD champion. Thats different.

and to your point. Whyte was in a different dimension after Joshua uppercutted him and joshua was never close to losing that

 

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of you being retarded?

i imagine your post history should provide enough material for a while.

Ignored

 

[randomg1t]

We cant underestimate the humiliation of the Ruiz fight, crossing the pond, bearing the UK standard. And aesthetically it looked ridiculous, accentuating the embarrassment.
Tough to come back from and I guess he never really did?

meh, he outboxed ruiz pretty cleanly 6 months later. then he KO'd pulev.

i mean i'm sure it was a shitty experience to get beaten like that by such an underdog, but to claim he never came back from it seems a bit far fetched, considering he rematched him immediately and pretty much took him to school. he's had some pretty explosive performances afterwards too.

 

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You can absolutely make the case based on their history against the same opponents that Joshua is a superior fighter to Fury. Ngannou doesnt get worse by doing it all again. Joshuas trainer said Ngannou had better footing and was clearly improved from the version that went the distance with Fury, when he faced Joshua. And that is a fact.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

No im not. The counter example to Otto Wallin TS gave was of a WORLD champion. Thats different.

and to your point. Whyte was in a different dimension after Joshua uppercutted him and joshua was never close to losing that

Sure. Whyte wobbled AJ in their pro fight and previously beat him in the amateurs (including dropping him). Now you know. But, let's continue. How much did Wladimir Klitschko hurt Joshua and how much did he hurt Fury?

 

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Sure. Whyte wobbled AJ in their pro fight and previously beat him in the amateurs (including dropping him). Now you know. But, let's continue. How much did Wladimir Klitschko hurt Joshua and how much did he hurt Fury?

He didnt do jack shit against fury. Neither did Fury to him. It was an embarassing staring contest. You said so yourself.

Fury has worse fundamentals, MUCH less power, but is longer and bigger than Joshua. And more importantly stronger mentally.

That doesnt mean Joshua would be WC in the old days, he absolutely would not. Hes not a great fighter. But he is a better fighter than Fury.

 

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Talent wise, Joshua is the most talented HW. No one with his combination of hand speed, punching power, and size. I don't really consider Usyk a true HW, he's more of a blown up CW.

I would say Joshuas handspeed is moderate.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

He didnt do jack shit against fury. Neither did Fury to him. It was an embarassing staring contest. You said so yourself.

Fury has worse fundamentals, MUCH less power, but is longer and bigger than Joshua. And more importantly stronger mentally.

That doesnt mean Joshua would be WC in the old days, he absolutely would not. Hes not a great fighter. But he is a better fighter than Fury.

You can speculate as to who the better fighter is between them head-to-head but until they actually fight we'll never know. What we do know is that Fury has avoided that fight for years. Back when AJ was still an amateur he beat up Fury (who was a pro at the time) in sparring. I imagine that has something to do with why he's been so reluctant to fight AJ.

You didn't have to be a great fighter to become champ in the past. Lots of guys that became heavyweight champ weren't. Unless you think guys like Rahman & McCall were great. AJ would always have a puncher's chance against literally anybody.

 

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You can speculate as to who the better fighter is between them head-to-head but until they actually fight we'll never know. What we do know is that Fury has avoided that fight for years. Back when AJ was still an amateur he beat up Fury (who was a pro at the time) in sparring. I imagine that has something to do with why he's been so reluctant to fight AJ.

You didn't have to be a great fighter to become champ in the past. Lots of guys that became heavyweight champ weren't. Unless you think guys like Rahman & McCall were great. AJ would always have a puncher's chance against literally anybody.

I actually didnt know about AJ sparring Fury. Joshua could obviously had been a winter world champion in the 80s but not much more than that. He has way too many gaps.

Like I wrote in an earlier thread, when he first was a pro he didnt sit down on his punches. He got the X factor to him late in his carrer., but his defence hasnt gotten any better.

I dont count the last fight he had as defence, he just had a concentration lapse or whatever and got clipped by a bomb.