Is american wrestling getting useless?

[Bangkok ready d1]

Wrestling was not created in the USA.

When did i say it was?

 

[thobra]

The UFC is an American league, and will always market Americans the hardest, so we will always have some americans on top. However, we have known all along that an American college wrestler is never competitive with a top sambist/russian grappler. We saw how Fedor was killing much bigger Wrestlers. We see it again now, and we will see it over and over again if The UFC market russian grapplers.It has never changed. Just marketing.. I doubt they will market too many foreigners.

 

[SouthpawSouthernFist]

Mendes GnP'd the shit out of him.


wtf??

If you didn't follow our conversation and know what that video was posted in response to, I can't help you.

 

[SherRoad Dogg]

Not good as Russians but yes american wrestlers still dominate

 

[Grandwizard666]

I feel like the biggest reason for a decline in dominate American wrestling based fighters is the UFCS approach and handling of it.
They only seem to want to sign the "exciting guys"
We just watched two NCAA wrestlers in gay cheese and Chandler have a drunken bar fight

The dagestani guys would never do that.
The UFC is hot on that market so they're signing all the good Russian wrestlers
They aren't signing all the good Americans

Dagestani wrestlers are studs. So are Americans though. Wrestling will never not be effective

 

[ShreddinMMA]

Blasting a double leg has limited utility. Caucasus fighters have judo, Sambo, wrestling, and submissions all in one. You're just seeing the other aspects of their game shine.

Lol, someone doesn't know much about wrestling.

 

[arcadeperfect]

Dying? Like more than half of ALL the fighters are Americans and a good chunk of them wrestlers.
Usman is the most dominant champion UFC has and he's an American style wrestler, Sterling was a collegiate wreslter too.

One single discipline can't fucking dominate everything forever, doesn't mean it's dying. Just as BJJ didn't die.

Guess some of you are more triggered by this being an American thing.

Lol @ Sterling.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

2 theories:
- Folkstyle is simply inferior to Eastern EUro freestyle
- Folstyle wrestlers don't get signed anymore.

I don't know but I will observe that GSP (who has an Eastern EUro freestyle wrestling lineage), completely shut down all these D1 guys.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

From watching ufc for an idea about wrestling since I don't watch it for the Olympics, it seems that the dagestans and Russians are far more superior in the wrestling aspect. Like the saying goes, they're just build differently. More tougher mindset and willing to dig through the trenches when shit hits the fan. Lotta americans don't got that grit. I'm not a wrestling nerd but I learned a lot from watching mma.

That's not true though. Murrcan wrestling is known to be all about the grid, while eastern euro freestyle is more technical and playful.

 

[Local Plata]

"American style"

Like that's a thing.

 

[DillashawsEPO]

Americans gonna be mad at you for this one. Wrestling is the best base for injuries, you American wrestlers with your bad backs, hips and knees can go crawl away now thanks.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

It's the cool thing to hate or shit on everything American even Americans do it too.

Which would be a very stupid thing to do. USA is a close second to Russia when it comes to freestyle wrestling, so it is still at the very top. And let's be real, here: without Caucasians, Russia would hardly be on the radar. The whole Caucasus region (including Georgia and Azerbaidjian) accounts for like 1/3 of all olympic medals in 2020 and it's roughly the same in judo, I think. Caucasians are wrestling and judo freaks, period, and are superior at anyone else, this is not against USA.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

They (the russians) mix it with judo,thats the big problem everyone has with it. It has nothing to do with grit. Go tell Kurt Angle,the A M E R I C A N olympic gold medalist who won it with a broken neck,that "lotta americans dont got that grit"

The grit in American wrestling is a well-known fact even in Russian wrestling, so yeah that statement was horseshit.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

The rest of the world has been doing that for the past 20 years.

Laughing at Americans is a global tradition at this point.

It really started with W Bush, that's true.

 

[spaceman3005]

It really started with W Bush, that's true.

Spot on, Clinton didn't do himself any favours, but Bush really took the mask off of the whole thing.

At least there is something the whole world can agree on, to point and laugh at the US. Whatever unites us, I'll take it.

 

[Deleted member 512089]

Dying? Like more than half of ALL the fighters are Americans and a good chunk of them wrestlers.
Usman is the most dominant champion UFC has and he's an American style wrestler, Sterling was a collegiate wreslter too.

One single discipline can't fucking dominate everything forever, doesn't mean it's dying. Just as BJJ didn't die.

Guess some of you are more triggered by this being an American thing.

Exactly that. Collegiate wrestling has been figured out and every camp big or small drills wrestling techniques that counters it. The general ability in that type of wrestling has went up. Just like what happened to BJJ. The same will happen for Sambo/Russian wrestling in 10/15 years because people are going to drill counters specific to that style.

 

[Spath]

American wrestler can’t get a takedown because other american wrestler is using his american wrestling skills to defend the takedown.

TS: iS AMerIcAn WrEStliNg DyINg??

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

Spot on, Clinton didn't do himself any favours, but Bush really took the mask off of the whole thing.

At least there is something the whole world can agree on, to point and laugh at the US. Whatever unites us, I'll take it.

Young people were too young back then to remember but W invading Iraq on those fake WMDs with all the retarded born-again Christian crowd, the freedom-fries thing, etc. In terms of image, these were really dark times for Murrka' image. It got better under Obama, then turned bad again under Trump (but Trump never did anythign bad - just saying that the standard attitude for sheeps around the world is to hate Trump because it is the standard attitude to have). Now for some reason most people like Biden, but to many people like myself, the woke trash is spreading fomr the USA, so that is also an image problem. Moral of the story, USA has a hard-time not going full-retard in one direction or the other.

 

[Feardoesnotexistinmydojo]

Kinda think about it there are very fell fighters that come from a college background and are using wrestling as their main weapon in the highest level. Of champions i think usman is the only one right now and even him is favoring a more striking aproach lately, seems like the truly heavy grapplers are the caucasian ones only they seem to be truly heavy on it in 2021.
Is american style wrestling basically dying in the mma scene?

It’s just that the standard in Russia and the Caucasus is a lot higher, mainly blended with judo and sambo making it an easier transition to MMA, the best kickboxers aren’t necessarily the best MMA strikers etc and it’s the same with wrestling, MMA is different

 

[JonJonesNeedle]

American wrestling is not useless, it's probably the single most important aspect of grappling.

However there are other aspects of grappling like Judo, BJJ, GnP, Position and Control. And even among these aspects there are more aspects. For BJJ there's sub defense and sub offense.

Top grapplers like Khabib will be extremely good in all aspects and will mix it up when fighting someone who may be better then himself at one area.

We saw how Yan's complete grappling was able to overpower Sterling. Even though Sterling is the better wrestler.

A lot of American Wrestlers have a good takedown, but you need more than that these days to compete with grapplers.