International Ireland set to accept record numbers of migrants including ‘hundreds of thousands’ of Palestinians

[Tatra]

israeli arabs live in israel.

Because they were there before Israel was created.

it's part of a region that used to be referred to as palestine.

It's still referred to as Palestine. Even Jews called it Palestine throughout their history. Fun fact for you.

they are both facts.

You're partially correct but it doesn't matter... it's all irrelevant to the topic at hand: Palestinians were there before Israel was created. They're in their homeland. Israel, Gaza & West Bank = Palestine.

Historical = history. Its Israel now and its Israelis land. Unlucky.

Another pro-Israel goon drags his knuckles into the thread to humiliate himself. Some idiot said "they don't want to go back to Palestine"... dummy, they're already in Palestine. That's where Palestine has always been. They were there before Israel existed. What are you not understanding? What do you need explained to you?

'Historical' = possessing a history. Something which Israel doesn't have. Because it's not even 80 years old.

Go on. Make me laugh some more.

 

[kflo]

Because they were there before Israel was created.

lol

israeli arabs live in israel. that's a true statement. you explaining why doesn't negate the fact that they live in israel.

It's still referred to as Palestine. Even Jews called it Palestine throughout their history. Fun fact for you.

it's not referred to as palestine by most israelis. it is is universally referred to as israel by israelis. it IS israel. it also WAS part of the region previously known as palestine. your fun fact is irrelevant. it's israel now.

You're partially correct but it doesn't matter... it's all irrelevant to the topic at hand: Palestinians were there before Israel was created. They're in their homeland. Israel, Gaza & West Bank = Palestine.

yeah, well, that wasn't the point being made. that it's their "homeland" is irrelevant as to whether israeli arabs prefer to be israeli citizens vs palestinian citizens.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Because they were there before Israel was created.



It's still referred to as Palestine. Even Jews called it Palestine throughout their history. Fun fact for you.



You're partially correct but it doesn't matter... it's all irrelevant to the topic at hand: Palestinians were there before Israel was created. They're in their homeland. Israel, Gaza & West Bank = Palestine.



Another pro-Israel goon drags his knuckles into the thread to humiliate himself. Some idiot said "they don't want to go back to Palestine"... dummy, they're already in Palestine. That's where Palestine has always been. They were there before Israel existed. What are you not understanding? What do you need explained to you?

'Historical' = possessing a history. Something which Israel doesn't have. Because it's not even 80 years old.

Go on. Make me laugh some more.

Just curious do you feel the same about natives in the US? Assuming you're American, Canadian, Australian, South African or a myriad of other nations..do you live on native land?

 

[Tatra]

Just curious do you feel the same about natives in the US? Assuming you're American, Canadian, Australian, South African or a myriad of other nations..do you live on native land?

I'm in Britain. And I'm not sure about your question. What exactly do you mean?

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

I'm in Britain. And I'm not sure about your question. What exactly do you mean?

Your position is that iserali land is actually originally Palestinian and they have the greater claim, no?

Do you keep the same position when it comes to US land? Or Canadian land or Australian land? The British colonized those, so should they be given back to natives?

 

[curryjunkie]

@curryjunkie @deise69 both of you ignored this when I asked it, as leftists always do. Why is that?

tá tú ró-dúr chun labhairt leis

 

[Tatra]

israeli arabs live in israel.

Where else would they live? They were there before Israel existed.

you explaining why doesn't negate the fact that they live in israel.

Yes - because they were there before Israel was created. Still pretending to not understand.

it's not referred to as palestine by most israelis

Who gives a FUCK what they think?

it is is universally referred to as israel by israelis. it IS israel. it also WAS part of the region previously known as palestine. your fun fact is irrelevant. it's israel now.

And it's universally referred to as Palestine by Palestinians, virtually all Muslims, and hundreds of millions (at least) of non-Muslims. And the Palestinians are in their homeland, whether they live in Israel, Gaza or the West Bank. They were there before Israel was created.

yeah, well, that wasn't the point being made. that it's their "homeland" is irrelevant as to whether israeli arabs prefer to be israeli citizens vs palestinian citizens.

That's the entire argument you moron. And there's no such thing as "palestinian citizen" you idiot. They are in their homeland when they're in Israel. If you're suggesting Palestinians in Israel prefer an Israeli state instead of the one state solution where both Arabs & Jews live under one government, then you're 100% wrong.

Palestinians are in their homeland whether they live in Gaza, West Bank or Israel. Gaza, West Bank & Israel = Palestine.

 

[Tatra]

Your position is that iserali land is actually originally Palestinian and they have the greater claim, no?

I was simply responding to some fool who said 'Palestinians don't even want to return to Palestine'. Palestinians are already IN Palestine when they live in Israel (and Gaza & West Bank).

I never made any comment about who has the "greater claim". I have no opinion on it. Only a fool would deny Jews have a strong, historical connection to that land. But what is a Jew? If I convert to Judaism, does that then give me the right to start claiming that land as mine? Obviously that's absurd. If I discover I have a little bit of Jewish ancestry, then do I have the right to move there? How much 'Jewish ancestry' does one have to have to be 'Jewish'?

Do you keep the same position when it comes to US land? Or Canadian land or Australian land? The British colonized those, so should they be given back to natives?

I've never once made a statement about land being 'given back'. At the moment, Jews control Palestine. That's a fact. Will that be the case in a hundred years time? Maybe not. Hamas is never going to disarm. Can Israel survive without the West? Highly unlikely. But the West is dying. What will Israel do? If I was going to place a bet, I'd say the odds are looking pretty good that Israel won't exist by the end of this century.

What irks me is when Israel plays victim.

 

[Tatra]

tá tú ró-dúr chun labhairt leis

Well at least I got a response from you, but it was just another cowardly, gutless non-response. It's all leftists ever have to offer. You pathetic worm-like creature.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

I was simply responding to some fool who said 'Palestinians don't even want to return to Palestine'. Palestinians are already IN Palestine when they live in Israel (and Gaza & West Bank).

I never made any comment about who has the "greater claim". I have no opinion on it. Only a fool would deny Jews have a strong, historical connection to that land. But what is a Jew? If I convert to Judaism, does that then give me the right to start claiming that land as mine? Obviously that's absurd. If I discover I have a little bit of Jewish ancestry, then do I have the right to move there? How much 'Jewish ancestry' does one have to have to be 'Jewish'?



I've never once made a statement about land being 'given back'. At the moment, Jews control Palestine. That's a fact. Will that be the case in a hundred years time? Maybe not. Hamas is never going to disarm. Can Israel survive without the West? Highly unlikely. But the West is dying. What will Israel do? If I was going to place a bet, I'd say the odds are looking pretty good that Israel won't exist by the end of this century.

What irks me is when Israel plays victim.

Lol, k

 

[Tatra]

Lol, k

What's funny?

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

What's funny?

You...youre a funny guy

 

[Tatra]

You...youre a funny guy

What's funny about what I said?

 

[kflo]

Where else would they live? They were there before Israel existed.

and now they live in israel. they do have a choice.

they live in israel. fact.

now, you'll continue to argue this fact. lol.

Yes - because they were there before Israel was created. Still pretending to not understand.

and now live in israel. not very complex.

Who gives a FUCK what they think?

well, this whole conversation was about what israeli's think. you're missing the plot. hopefully it's intentional.

And it's universally referred to as Palestine by Palestinians, virtually all Muslims, and hundreds of millions (at least) of non-Muslims. And the Palestinians are in their homeland, whether they live in Israel, Gaza or the West Bank. They were there before Israel was created.

and now it's israel. that's a fact. say it with me - it's israel.

That's the entire argument you moron. And there's no such thing as "palestinian citizen" you idiot.

no shit. the point was they'd rather be an israeli citizen than aspire to be a palestinian citizen, should that be an option some day.

They are in their homeland when they're in Israel.

ok. noone argued they are not. many others in israel are also in their homeland. it's not exclusive to the arab population.

If you're suggesting Palestinians in Israel prefer an Israeli state instead of the one state solution where both Arabs & Jews live under one government, then you're 100% wrong.

that's not what anyone said, no. noone mentioned a one state solution.

Palestinians are in their homeland whether they live in Gaza, West Bank or Israel. Gaza, West Bank & Israel = Palestine.

israeli arabs live in israel, and the region previously called palestine.

you can't factually contradict anything i'm saying. you emotionally react. the facts are just facts.

 

[Tatra]

and now they live in israel.

Because Jews conquered the land.

they do have a choice.

Have a choice to do what?

now, you'll continue to argue this fact. lol.

No, you're just an idiot not making a point. They are already living in their homeland. The fact that Israel currently rules over them changes absolutely nothing. How are you this dense? lol

and now live in israel. not very complex.

Because Jews conquered the land. You actually think you're making a point here? lol

well, this whole conversation was about what israeli's think. you're missing the plot. hopefully it's intentional.

No it wasn't. It was about some idiot saying 'Palestinians don't want to go back to Palestine'... duh, they're already there. Israel, Gaza & West Bank = Palestine.

and now it's israel. that's a fact. say it with me - it's israel.

You're not making a point. The Palestinians are in their homeland. They can't 'go back' to somewhere they already are. Duhh.

the point was they'd rather be an israeli citizen than aspire to be a palestinian citizen, should that be an option some day.

What the fuck is a "palestinian citizen"? And do you have any actual evidence to back this gibberish up?

noone argued they are not

YES THEY DID. That's what started this bullshit. Someone said 'Palestinians don't want to go back to Palestine'. THEY'RE ALREADY IN PALESTINE WHEN THEY'RE IN ISRAEL (and Gaza & West Bank). Fuck you're dumb. Engage brain, idiot.

many others in israel are also in their homeland. it's not exclusive to the arab population.

Oh boy, you're really showing your desperation now. When did I claim Palestine is "exclusive to the Arab population"?

that's not what anyone said, no. noone mentioned a one state solution.

So what the fuck are you babbling on about?

israeli arabs live in israel, and the region previously called palestine.

It's still called Palestine. You're so desperate it's hilarious. LOL

you can't factually contradict anything i'm saying. you emotionally react. the facts are just facts.

You literally just described yourself to-a-tee.

You're not even saying anything. Arguing about nothing. You accept Palestinians were there before Israel was created & that they're in their homeland. What are you even arguing about?

 

[kflo]

Because Jews conquered the land.

Actually they purchased land, used diplomacy, mobilized, and took legal routes. And then war was waged against them.

Have a choice to do what?

Leave?

No, you're just an idiot not making a point. They are already living in their homeland.

You are so incapable of listening. Yes, they are living where they lived. No one argued otherwise.

The fact that Israel currently rules over them changes absolutely nothing. How are you this dense? lol

Israel is their country. They don’t “rule over them”.

Because Jews conquered the land. You actually think you're making a point here? lol

You are again going back to why they live in Israel, and ignoring the fact they do live in Israel. They are Israeli.

No it wasn't. It was about some idiot saying 'Palestinians don't want to go back to Palestine'... duh, they're already there. Israel, Gaza & West Bank = Palestine.

No. Again, this is the crux of why you are wrong and incapable of seeing / acknowledging it.

The poster was saying they’d rather live in Israel with the Jews under Israeli law than live in a state of “Palestine” (yes, Gaza and the WB) under Palestinian rule.

Until you are capable of recognizing this was what he was saying, you’ll continue to argue against something that wasn’t being argued. You will, no doubt continue, because it’s in your dna apparently.

You're not making a point. The Palestinians are in their homeland.

No one argued otherwise.

They can't 'go back' to somewhere they already are. Duhh.

What the fuck is a "palestinian citizen"? And do you have any actual evidence to back this gibberish up?

i said “aspire to be” genius. A Palestinian citizen would be a citizen of the state of Palestine, if such a state was recognized.

I don’t need evidence. I wasn’t making the argument. I was explaining someone else’s argument to you.

YES THEY DID. That's what started this bullshit. Someone said 'Palestinians don't want to go back to Palestine'. THEY'RE ALREADY IN PALESTINE WHEN THEY'RE IN ISRAEL (and Gaza & West Bank). Fuck you're dumb. Engage brain, idiot.

When he was referencing “Palestine”, he was obviously talking about being under Palestinian rule, instead of Israeli laws. Not the region previously known as Palestine. Obviously. You’re too pig-headed to realize this.

No one is saying the Arabs in Israel weren’t part of the Palestine region prior to becoming Israelis.

Oh boy, you're really showing your desperation now. When did I claim Palestine is "exclusive to the Arab population"?



So what the fuck are you babbling on about?



It's still called Palestine. You're so desperate it's hilarious. LOL

It’s Israel. Some call it Palestine but it’s the state of Israel. It’s a real thing. You should look it up. Or visit.

You literally just described yourself to-a-tee.

You're not even saying anything. Arguing about nothing. You accept Palestinians were there before Israel was created & that they're in their homeland. What are you even arguing about?

again, this entire argument started with you misinterpreting someone else’s post, and you continue to refuse to acknowledge what he meant. And instead you are arguing against something no one said.

The Israeli Arabs are…..Israeli. They live in Israel. Which is part of the region that was known as Palestine.

The other poster @Fossor was making the point that the Israeli Arabs are happy to be Israeli. That they’d rather be Israeli than be part of a Palestinian state ruled by Palestinians. You can disagree with the point but you can’t pretend they aren’t Israeli.

Instead of accepting that this was his point, you are instead continuing to insist the Israeli Arabs have always been part of Palestine, which wasn’t anyone’s argument. Except in your own head. And you’ve continued to make this the argument, when it wasn’t anyone else’s.

In summary:
Israeli Arabs live in ……Israel. Fact
Israeli Arabs living in Israel are from a lineage that lived there when it was just part of a region called Palestine. Fact.
Fossor was arguing that Israeli Arabs living in Israel are content being Israeli, and would prefer that than to be part of a Palestinian state. Fact.

It’s rather simple.

But you’ll come back saying the sky isn’t really blue…..

 

[SuperAlly]

Typical you, attacking the person and not the argument.

Also you

"I was taught that as a young child, weren't you?"

 

[SuperAlly]

@deise69 fucked off again like I said you did a few days ago. And don't say you haven't been on because I know you have... your profile: "Last seen 28 minutes ago". lol

Leftists always running from this point, because they know what a massive fucking contradiction it is. YA BIG GOBSHITE.

You come across demented and unhinged

 

[Tatra]

You come across demented and unhinged

I really don't care.

 

[Tatra]

Actually they purchased land, used diplomacy, mobilized, and took legal routes. And then war was waged against them.

Leave?

You are so incapable of listening. Yes, they are living where they lived. No one argued otherwise.

Israel is their country. They don’t “rule over them”.

You are again going back to why they live in Israel, and ignoring the fact they do live in Israel. They are Israeli.

No. Again, this is the crux of why you are wrong and incapable of seeing / acknowledging it.

The poster was saying they’d rather live in Israel with the Jews under Israeli law than live in a state of “Palestine” (yes, Gaza and the WB) under Palestinian rule.

Until you are capable of recognizing this was what he was saying, you’ll continue to argue against something that wasn’t being argued. You will, no doubt continue, because it’s in your dna apparently.

No one argued otherwise.


i said “aspire to be” genius. A Palestinian citizen would be a citizen of the state of Palestine, if such a state was recognized.

I don’t need evidence. I wasn’t making the argument. I was explaining someone else’s argument to you.

When he was referencing “Palestine”, he was obviously talking about being under Palestinian rule, instead of Israeli laws. Not the region previously known as Palestine. Obviously. You’re too pig-headed to realize this.

No one is saying the Arabs in Israel weren’t part of the Palestine region prior to becoming Israelis.



It’s Israel. Some call it Palestine but it’s the state of Israel. It’s a real thing. You should look it up. Or visit.


again, this entire argument started with you misinterpreting someone else’s post, and you continue to refuse to acknowledge what he meant. And instead you are arguing against something no one said.

The Israeli Arabs are…..Israeli. They live in Israel. Which is part of the region that was known as Palestine.

The other poster @Fossor was making the point that the Israeli Arabs are happy to be Israeli. That they’d rather be Israeli than be part of a Palestinian state ruled by Palestinians. You can disagree with the point but you can’t pretend they aren’t Israeli.

Instead of accepting that this was his point, you are instead continuing to insist the Israeli Arabs have always been part of Palestine, which wasn’t anyone’s argument. Except in your own head. And you’ve continued to make this the argument, when it wasn’t anyone else’s.

In summary:
Israeli Arabs live in ……Israel. Fact
Israeli Arabs living in Israel are from a lineage that lived there when it was just part of a region called Palestine. Fact.
Fossor was arguing that Israeli Arabs living in Israel are content being Israeli, and would prefer that than to be part of a Palestinian state. Fact.

It’s rather simple.

But you’ll come back saying the sky isn’t really blue…..

I may respond to this tomorrow but all I have to say now is... holy fuck you're a loser.