Instances when the better fighter just got caught and proved it in the rematch

[StrikerKing]

Fighting Forrest while his wife suddenly and unexpectedly went into early labour and he's all the way down in Brazil isn't that.

Forrest had no business staying in that fight, but company and fan friendly man that he is he sacrificed himself for the card and stayed on and went through the motions, and then immediately jetted the fuck out of there to be with his wife.





Shogun got wrestlefucked by the beet red, gasping, 100 year old corpse of Coleman in the rematch too.

He won it this time, but he in no way proved he was the better fighter or that the first fight was a fluke. If anything he proved Coleman could wrestlefuck him like he'd previously done, even while knocking on death's door.

I'd say your just trolling. GSP proved in the rematch Serra is not even close to his level, dominating him in every facet of MMA. Of course, as the first fight showed, everyone can get caught. But GSP gave Serra an utter beat down, showing he is the much more skilled fighter.

 

[checktheknuckles]

troll has only been trolling for 12 days. give him time to work on his game.

There is no trolling since it is a fact that serra finished gsp faster than gsp did.

 

[markg171]

Then we have the case of JDS vs Cain. Cain dominated JDS twice, but taking into account that JDS is a powerful boxer and Cain was a bit chinny (though great recovery), I’d say JDS’s win over Cain bears more relevance/probably outcome than GSP vs Serra.

There's really no case for Cain/JDS though.

The first fight only ever happened because Cain was horribly injured but wouldn't pull out because it was the first Fox card. The result has nothing to do with who's the better fighter or just getting caught, and everything to do with the fact that Cain's knee was completely shot and so he was a sitting duck to a strong powerful puncher like JDS.

The rematches are simply what *likely* would've happened had Cain been healthy in the first fight like he was for the next 2 fights.

 

[VAfan]

There is no trolling since it is a fact that serra finished gsp faster than gsp did.

and that means jack shit, you monkey. a shot behind the ear does not trump a total destruction in the rematch. stop being thick.

 

[Bobthebuilder85]

Mousasi vs hall

Surely this thread was made about this fight?

 

[checktheknuckles]

and that means jack shit, you monkey. a shot behind the ear does not trump a total destruction in the rematch. stop being thick.

Serra totally destructed GSP faster than GSP did to Serra. That is just straight up facts. Everyon acts like Serra got lucky, but dude was dominating GSP.

 

[Future GOAT]

And I don't even care for Brock much.

He was dipping into Brock's strawberry stash again.

 

[old school 2]

Fighting safer and more risk adverse is completely irrelevant to whether or not GSP had already switched his style to being more grappling heavy pre-Serra and therefore should've been taking him down like he was taking down everybody else by then. Which he had as that occurred with the Hughes 1 armbar loss 7 fights prior.

GSP chose to instead just strike with Serra instead of fight like his style *actually* was by then. He reverted to pre-Hughes I for Serra and that cost him. Just like that style cost him then too.

The rematch showed what happens if GSP fights like he was already capable of doing in the first fight, not that the first fight was a fluke. Fighting stupidly, and in GSP's own words cockily as you underestimate Serra, isn't getting caught. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Sorry , but GSP was a karate stylist when he entered MMA and stand up was his game. Half of his wins were knock outs before the Serra fight. He received his BJJ brown belt in 2006 , his black belt in 2008 and fought Serra (already a black belt) in 2007. AFTER the Serra match he went exclusively wrestling heavy after parting ways with his manager and most of his entourage. He never recorded another standing knock out again BECAUSE he went all-in on the wrestling. On a side note of All-in, Serra was a 11-1 underdog in that fight because everybody thought GSP would own the stand up. GSP did the logical move and kept it standing . 11 times out of 12 it should have worked but this was number 12 , I guess.

 

[El Fernas]

JDS vs Cain
Peña vs Nunes

 

[El Fernas]

Neither one of these are examples of fighters getting caught.

Both GSP and Cain chose to, or were forced to because of injuries, stand with Serra and JDS instead of their usual styles of fighting where the standup is a setup for the takedown and ground game. That's not getting caught, regardless of if you think they should've or could've been the better striker regardless. The rematches proved that had they fought as they usually do they'd have won the first fight.

It's the difference in how they fought that's at issue here, not getting caught. They didn't get caught, they played with fire and paid for it. Fight stupidly and win stupid prizes.

Cain fought JDS on the ground on both rematches? I think it was a standing battle.

 

[markg171]

Sorry , but GSP was a karate stylist when he entered MMA and stand up was his game. Half of his wins were knock outs before the Serra fight. He received his BJJ brown belt in 2006 , his black belt in 2008 and fought Serra (already a black belt) in 2007. AFTER the Serra match he went exclusively wrestling heavy after parting ways with his manager and most of his entourage. He never recorded another standing knock out again BECAUSE he went all-in on the wrestling. On a side note of All-in, Serra was a 11-1 underdog in that fight because everybody thought GSP would own the stand up. GSP did the logical move and kept it standing . 11 times out of 12 it should have worked but this was number 12 , I guess.

GSP had already beaten BJ Penn with his grappling by Serra lol. The idea that he shouldn't have grappled Serra and only fought him standing is revisionist history. He had a perceived huge advantage there sure, but he was also perfectly capable of outgrappling him like he'd been doing to everybody post Hughes I when he got armbarred for having that karate first mentality and no world class ground game to compliment it.

As was literally proven in the rematch where he won by outgrappling Serra.

He kept it standing purely because of ego and underestimating Serra. That's not getting caught. That's making dumb mistakes and winning dumb prizes for doing so.

Cain fought JDS on the ground on both rematches? I think it was a standing battle.

Cain scored 11 TDs, 1 KD, and 13:55 minutes of control in the 2nd fight

http://ufcstats.com/fight-details/02a373f6503b3530

And 2 TDs, 1 KD, and 17:28 minutes of control in the 3rd fight

http://ufcstats.com/fight-details/0bdc4e7ce6687367

Cain beat JDS standing both fights too sure, but it was because he had JDS fearing his grappling which he was significantly imposing on him.

 

[kneebartotheface]

Sterling vs yan

 

[Iroh]

Cro cop vs Randleman

 

[Iroh]

Mirko - Randleman. Gonzaga as well but everything about Mirko after Pride was somewhat nonsensical.

I knew someone must have mentioned it before me.

 

[JKS]

Do you really think 40 fcking old DC is in his prime oh my god

He was HW champ. He certainly wasn't in his peak prime like in 2015, but he was certainly not out of his prime. But it's relative to his opponent, that's the point. Stipe was no better off physically or held any advantages in that aspect. We saw two guys fight 3x both in the same shape and point in their careers. One guy proved to be better. It's not like DC was fighting a 31 year old Stipe was just in peak prime.

Face it man, he's just not as good. This fight happens in 2012, 2014, 2016, Stipe still beats him.

 

[Apect15]

He was HW champ. He certainly wasn't in his peak prime like in 2015, but he was certainly not out of his prime. But it's relative to his opponent, that's the point. Stipe was no better off physically or held any advantages in that aspect. We saw two guys fight 3x both in the same shape and point in their careers. One guy proved to be better. It's not like DC was fighting a 31 year old Stipe was just in peak prime.

Face it man, he's just not as good. This fight happens in 2012, 2014, 2016, Stipe still beats him.

Stipe would be never champion If DC fought at HW instead of LHW old washed DC gived him hell

 

[markys00]

Miocic definitely isn't better fighter than DC

Lolololol.
Wait, wait. Bwahhaha

 

[Apect15]

Lolololol.
Wait, wait. Bwahhaha

What he won against non prime DC 2nd fight in 3rd fight he was clearly washed none prime DC still beated Stipe he, would be never champion If DC fough at heavyweight instead of LHW.

 

[JKS]

Stipe would be never champion If DC fought at HW instead of LHW old washed DC gived him hell

LOL, DC got finished and TKO'd by Stipe and then completely outclassed later in their 3rd fight later in his Stipe's career. Stipe in 2015 would hurt him even worse. He's just a bad match up for him.

 

[JKS]

What he won against non prime DC 2nd fight in 3rd fight he was clearly washed none prime DC still beated Stipe he, would be never champion If DC fough at heavyweight instead of LHW.

So you're claiming that DC was washed up and out of his prime. But yet not addressing the fact that both he and Stipe when they fought were 2.5 years apart in age, they started their careers 5 months apart from each other and both had nearly the same amount of fights when they fought, 23 vs 22. Both guys also took about the same amount of wear n tear in their careers. It's a cute little double standard you're pushing there buddy. They were both in the same shape and prime.