Crime Incels: how online extremism is changing

[Hollywood Jack]

Islam seems to be the way to go if you hate women. I'm seeing that too lately, Islam is looked upon as a masculine religion whereas Christianity has gone soft by accepting gays and stuff. I bet he loves the countries that restrict women's rights. It's really sad that this is the man that is influencing millions of young boys.

I really don't know what you do with these people. They have a huge victim mentality and instead of self-improvement they choose to blame all women for not sleeping with them. They feel entitled to sex and it just doesn't work that way. I think for one, these people need to stop living terminally online lives. They need to go out there into the real world and start talking to people. I think traveling really helped me break out of my shell. It forces you into uncomfortable situations at times, especially if you go alone as I did while I was very young. It gives you some confidence that you can do things on your own. I don't know the solution, but I do know that sitting in front of a computer all day, every day and complaining about women is not one of them.

I agree with aspects of this post. Not sure I agree about the Islamic part. Islam is not inherently antithetical with modernity, secular governance, left-wing politics, etc. Muslim women by and large feel satisfied within Islam. In many Muslim-majority nations, even the theocracy of Iran, women's educational levels and professional employment equals or exceeds men's. Including in traditionally male fields such as engineering, at a rate which exceeds women's participation in the Western world.

Muslim women are just as devout if not more so than Muslim men, and women in general are more devout than men. They share the same values and beliefs. They largely don't feel subjugated. Some have felt that way and have left the religion of their own free will. I support their right to leave if they should choose so. I support their right to freely practice their religion and customs. The Islamic faith is also conducive to women becoming doctors because of the view that women should have female doctors and men should have male doctors.

I've had Muslim women as doctors, including as specialists, and they were excellent. There are medical schools for women in the Islamic world and they produce some first-rate female physicians (the Muslim woman specialist I saw went to one in Pakistan and then got certified in the US). The Muslim female physician I've been treated by is fluent in four languages and has a first-rate reputation and reviews from patients.

I'll try to provide some sources and videos which might help you see where I'm coming from.

70% of of Iran's science and engineering students are women, and in a small, but promising community of startups, they’re being encouraged to play an even bigger role.

The common myth about women in Iran is that they are seen, but not heard, that they’re not permitted to drive, that they are second-class citizens, and that entrepreneurship and positions of power are out of reach. These notions are wrong. For years, women in Iran have owned and managed businesses, many of them in male dominant industries like oil and gas, construction, mining, and now tech. And now, with such a high number graduating with degrees in science and engineering, there’s a push to get women more involved in Iran’s blossoming startup scene.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/amygut...gineering-students-are-women/?sh=4707c56844de

Researchers at Pew have said their analysis of data on the educational attainment of Muslim women across the world shows that religion plays a much less significant role in limiting their achievements than the wealth of the societies in which they live.

High-profile cases of Islamic extremists targeting schoolgirls—such as the kidnappings by Boko Haram of schoolgirls in Nigeria and the attempted assassination of Malala Yousafzai in Pakistan—fuel the perception that Muslim women are at an educational disadvantage primarily because of their religion, especially those who live in conservative societies.

But while it is true that Islamic cultures, societies and communities' chauvinistic attitudes to women can be limiting to their education—for example some are expected to marry young and build a home—in general that is no longer the case. It is the economic strength of a society that plays a much bigger role in determining the educational success of Muslim girls.

https://www.newsweek.com/islam-isnt-holding-back-muslim-womens-education-heres-bigger-problem-974357

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/230670189_Muslim_Women's_Physician_Preference_Beyond_Obstetrics_and_Gynecology

Fatima Jinnah Medical University with its associated teaching hospital Sir Ganga Ram Hospital, is a medical institution to teach and train female doctors and post-graduate students and provide medical and healthcare facilities to the citizens of the country, particularly in and around Lahore, and more particularly to the female population. It is now a tertiary healthcare unit and is recognised by the Higher Education Commission of Pakistan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatima_Jinnah_Medical_University

Female medical students outnumber men in countries such as Saudi Arabia, India and Pakistan, yet many fail to practise medicine following graduation. In Pakistan, 70% of medical students are women, yet it is estimated that half of them will not pursue medicine following graduation. This is considered a major reason for physician shortages in the country.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29508422/

The STEM Paradox: Why are Muslim-Majority Countries Producing So Many Female Engineers?

https://engineering.purdue.edu/ENE/...-countries-producing-so-many-female-engineers

Women are more religiously devout than men even though they are excluded from positions of leadership in many faiths and denominations, a new study has found. According to the respected Pew Research Center, 83.4% of women around the world identify with a faith group, compared with 79.9% of men – a difference of about 97 million people.

Pew’s report, The Gender Gap in Religion Around the World, points out that history’s most influential religious leaders have been men and that many religious groups allow only men to officiate, or have only recently eased that restriction. “Yet it often appears that the ranks of the faithful are dominated by women,” the report states.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/22/women-more-religiously-devout-than-men-new-study-finds

1. Women are now the majority of university students in the Muslim world.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/05/muslim-women-trillion-dollar-market-saadia-zahidi/

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@Islam Imamate

 

[Hollywood Jack]

Put on a nice shirt and get out there, you too can have a 3% chance of matching! And if you're not one of the chosen ones...well, I've called the feds and you're on an incel watch list now! Enjoy your life of video games and porn! Till next time, where I shame you for not being a stud in a market that discards 95% of you anyway.

If you're claiming that only 5% of guys are getting laid, then...[citation needed] I'm in my 40s now and I have no problem still getting women in their 20s. My dad is in his 70s and is married to a slightly younger woman who looks good for her age and takes care of herself. If you're not getting laid, that's YOUR problem. It's not society's problem or anyone else's. Get a job, get a hair cut, shave/trim, go to the gym, stay active, be social, be assertive, be a man! Maybe some of these sad sacks never had a dad to teach them how to be a man, or maybe he was a sad sack loser himself.





These chumps need to get out of the house, quit smoking, drinking, eating and j/o all day, and do something and the problem will take care of itself...

 

[Cole train]

If you're claiming that only 5% of guys are getting laid, then...[citation needed] I'm in my 40s now and I have no problem still getting women in their 20s. My dad is in his 70s and is married to a slightly younger woman who looks good for her age and takes care of herself. If you're not getting laid, that's YOUR problem. It's not society's problem or anyone else's. Get a job, get a hair cut, shave/trim, go to the gym, stay active, be social, be assertive, be a man! Maybe some of these sad sacks never had a dad to teach them how to be a man, or maybe he was a sad sack loser himself.





These chumps need to get out of the house, quit smoking, drinking, eating and j/o all day, and do something and the problem will take care of itself...

Have you considered the fact that you might be in the 5 percent?

 

[Hollywood Jack]

Have you considered the fact that you might be in the 5 percent?

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That's actually the last gif I made. I can't get my gif app to work anymore, unfortunately. I'm still using my old computer which kinda sucks. I haven't gotten around to saving everything I need and switching to my new computer yet.. busy with work and family drama, etc.

 

[Cole train]

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That's actually the last gif I made. I can't get my gif app to work anymore, unfortunately. I'm still using my old computer which kinda sucks. I haven't gotten around to saving everything I need and switching to my new computer yet.. busy with work and family drama, etc.

 

[gspieler]

The problem is these assholes feel they're entitled to pussy without paying for or working at it. They're delusional losers.

That's only partially true. Many/most of the women, who would traditionally be considered on the level of male incels, think they deserve some good-looking, charismatic dude, with a good job. Dudes like that generally don't pursue serious relationships with ho's, land whales, bat shit insane, etc. Neither are inherently entitled, yet seem to think they are, IMHO.

 

[fingercuffs]

Speaking of online dating, have you watched "The Tinder Swindler". It's a hoot.

They were good looking, successful women. Your thoughts?

 

[SKYNET]

My girl Contrapoints on Incels:

Good lord, that steaming pile of utter nonsense has over 5 million views?

Social media has us all fucked

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

They were good looking, successful women. Your thoughts?

I thought it was highly entertaining. Bit surprised and how light the guy's punishment was - I think he deserved much worse. The formula he used was pretty hilarious, how he'd get the victims to pay for all his shit with the "they're onto me" kind of bullshit, and how quickly they seemed to fall in love with him, or at least the idea of him. But yeah, the naivite was extreme, like, if you are that rich and htat super high powered, you really don't need an generic app to help you find people. I mean, I could be wrong, but let's say Elon Musk gets divorced or someone like that (I'm actually not sure if he's married - and obviously Musk is a different league), i doubt he's going to create a tinder account to find someone.

 

[Hollywood Jack]

That's only partially true. Many/most of the women, who woukd traditionally be considered on the level of male incessant, think they deserve some good-looking, charismatic dude, with a good job. Dudes like that generally don't pursue serious relationships with ho's, land whales, bat shit insane, etc. Neither are inherently entitled, yet seem to think they are, IMHO.

These things aren't mutually exclusive. These guys could actually try getting laid. They could resort to paying for it. The incels are even more deluded than the uggos who want chads. Chad might settle for a slump-buster every now and then...

 

[fingercuffs]

I thought it was highly entertaining. Bit surprised and how light the guy's punishment was - I think he deserved much worse. The formula he used was pretty hilarious, how he'd get the victims to pay for all his shit with the "they're onto me" kind of bullshit, and how quickly they seemed to fall in love with him, or at least the idea of him. But yeah, the naivite was extreme, like, if you are that rich and htat super high powered, you really don't need an generic app to help you find people. I mean, I could be wrong, but let's say Elon Musk gets divorced or someone like that (I'm actually not sure if he's married - and obviously Musk is a different league), i doubt he's going to create a tinder account to find someone.

It was funny. I told my other half about it so he did a quick Google and said "what, that slimy looking MFer?" He wasn't attractive at all. Considering the fraud, how was the criminal proceedings and subsequent sentencing so lenient? Pay offs?
It was compelling viewing though. I like to think I wouldn't be taken in but coercion and the way people work an angle. Fool me once.

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

It was funny. I told my other half about it so he did a quick Google and said "what, that slimy looking MFer?" He wasn't attractive at all. Considering the fraud, how was the criminal proceedings and subsequent sentencing so lenient? Pay offs?
It was compelling viewing though. I like to think I wouldn't be taken in but coercion and the way people work an angle. Fool me once.

Yeah, it wasn't the looks that made him attractive to the victims, although I bet they thought he was attractive looking at him through green-tinted glasses.

I figured the light sentencing was that his victims were in different countries. I kind of figured that was the same thing about when Johnny Depp sued the UK tabloids and the UK courts basically told him to go away. I don't think they wanted UK companies sending money to Americans. I think the Tinder Swinder was in Israel, and victims like in Germany and England and shit, and the international nature of what he was doing probably convolutes the legal process a lot. Not much of a theory, but it was what I thought of when watching it.

 

[gspieler]

These things aren't mutually exclusive. These guys could actually try getting laid. They could resort to paying for it. The incels are even more deluded than the uggos who want chads. Chad might settle for a slump-buster every now and then...

Sure, as long as by "settle", you mean "drunken one-night stand, or at best FWB", then sure. Point being, this is not exclusively a male issue, as it's often insinuated to be. It's a symptoms of larger societal issues.

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

Sure, as long as by "settle", you mean "drunken one-night stand, of at best FWB", then sure. Point being, this is not exclusively a male issue, as it's often insisted to be. It's a symptoms of larger societal issues.

I personally think the "trying to get laid" thing is a real disservice to the conversation. I'm fortunate that I won a bit of a birth lottery so I've had the issues that people that struggle to find relationships do - but I'm a high empathetic person and can really see a lot of pain and loneliness and generally subpar human interaction as compared to people that grew up pre-internet. And to your point, it hurts women to. At the end of the day, the "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" kind of thing is nice advice and all, but it only carries so much weight.

The issue is unless you think one sex is inherently superior to the other (which I personally don't, I do think they are more different though than today's politically correct climate would like to indicate - it's common for biologists to note the behavioral tendences of different sexes of species in the animal kingdom, I think it's quite a bit of hubris to be exempt from this) , then attachment points for entering relationships should be rather equal, and detachment points for reasons to end relationships should be rather equal. But I think we know the attachment points are glaringly unequal (hence the rule of thumb of whatever it is that 80% of women date 20% of men or something along those lines). And it's not good for the women who strike out playing the dating lottery hoping to land the perfect guy, and winding up alone like you see in the memes.

With the attachment point that inequal, I think it's pretty silly to think the detachment point is remotely equal either. It would kind of take a miracle for that to be the case. I don't think the solution is the bro-talk "be a stud" kind of thing for a challenge so structural. The powers that be have constructed a society where successful relationships are difficult to start, and difficult to maintain. Birth rates are pathetic and well below the population's desire, and instead of introducing policy and incentives to help people out with this structural issue, it seems like the solution has been marginalizing impacted people and using immigration as a plug to offset the practical implications of below replacement level birth rates. It makes sense from a counntry management / GDP growth to some extent, but is that really what life is all about?

 

[Hollywood Jack]

Sure, as long as by "settle", you mean "drunken one-night stand, or at best FWB", then sure.

Of course.

 

[Super_Nintendo]

If you're claiming that only 5% of guys are getting laid, then...[citation needed] I'm in my 40s now and I have no problem still getting women in their 20s. My dad is in his 70s and is married to a slightly younger woman who looks good for her age and takes care of herself. If you're not getting laid, that's YOUR problem. It's not society's problem or anyone else's. Get a job, get a hair cut, shave/trim, go to the gym, stay active, be social, be assertive, be a man! Maybe some of these sad sacks never had a dad to teach them how to be a man, or maybe he was a sad sack loser himself.





These chumps need to get out of the house, quit smoking, drinking, eating and j/o all day, and do something and the problem will take care of itself...

No one owes anyone anything and self-improvement always starts within. Unfortunately some of these people can't function in society, have mental problems, no job, no friends, and they should fix themselves before doing anything else.

Incels can be delusional but we also see that on the other side and in greater numbers. When an average woman says she deserves a top guy, society celebrates it, but when a guy objectively says he wants a gf with looks on his level, he gets roasted. There's a giant empathy gap going on here.

According to this, 27% of men are long term incels. Number is probably higher since it's not something most people like talking about. And the ones that didn't make the list, how are you they doing? I'm sure not that much better.

Are 27% of men defective despicable people living in their mom's basement? What caused the incel rate to skyrocket in the last 10-15 years? I'm sure that number is higher since 2018, and it's going to get a lot higher in the next 10-15 years. Wouldn't surprise me if it's 40% by 2030 and I'm sure they will keep blaming men for it then to.

I can see the leftist headlines now: "Women want nothing to do with 50% of men! A rash of misogynistic domestic extremism sweeps the nation. Women most affected." <Lmaoo>

 

[Hollywood Jack]

No one owes anyone anything and self-improvement always starts within. Unfortunately some of these people can't function in society, have mental problems, no job, no friends, and they should fix themselves before doing anything else.

Incels can be delusional but we also see that on the other side and in greater numbers. When an average woman says she deserves a top guy, society celebrates it, but when a guy objectively says he wants a gf with looks on his level, he gets roasted. There's a giant empathy gap going on here.

According to this, 27% of men are long term incels. Number is probably higher since it's not something most people like talking about. And the ones that didn't make the list, how are you they doing? I'm sure not that much better.

Are 27% of men defective despicable people living in their mom's basement? What caused the incel rate to skyrocket in the last 10-15 years? I'm sure that number is higher since 2018, and it's going to get a lot higher in the next 10-15 years. Wouldn't surprise me if it's 40% by 2030 and I'm sure they will keep blaming men for it then to.

I can see the leftist headlines now: "Women want nothing to do with 50% of men! A rash of misogynistic domestic extremism has taken over society. Women most affected." <Lmaoo>

Women get more empathy because they need more empathy and they experience and express more empathy for other people. Men are more into objects than people, especially relative to women. People have more empathy for cute squirrels than ugly rats even though they're essentially the same animal. We have more empathy for dogs than wolves because we molded dogs in our image and gave them neotenic traits. Women are cuter and less hairy than men and have neotenic traits relative than men. If you're a man and you want and expect more empathy from the world, perhaps you should get your t levels checked and start from there...

Research shows that, in general, women are more interested in people compared with men, who are more interested in things. To the extent that tech occupations are concerned more with things than people, men would on average be more attracted to them.

https://theconversation.com/does-biology-explain-why-men-outnumber-women-in-tech-82479

 

[Islam Imamate]

Women get more empathy because they need more empathy and they experience and express more empathy for other people. Men are more into objects than people, especially relative to women. People have more empathy for cute squirrels than ugly rats even though they're essentially the same animal. We have more empathy for dogs than wolves because we molded dogs in our image and gave them neotenic traits. Women are cuter and less hairy than men and have neotenic traits relative than men. If you're a man and you want and expect more empathy from the world, perhaps you should get your t levels checked and start from there...

https://theconversation.com/does-biology-explain-why-men-outnumber-women-in-tech-82479

What kind of justification of this? Because of evo-psych its okay to not give a shit about men? Are we allowed to use evo-psych to justify other gender based double standards or only when they benefit women?

 

[Yehudim]

Muslim women by and large feel satisfied within Islam.

Of course they do, and those that aren't satisfied catch a stone to the dome

 

[Natural Order]

Righties who can't get laid get angry. Lefties who can't get laid change gender.

Non-partisan alphas like myself are above these petty games.

What an embarrassing time to be alive.