In retrospect is Keith Jardine a top 5 journeyman all time

[FEDORFAN44]

Masvidal is goat journeyman

 

[orca]

porier jim miller cerrone matt brown and many2x more

 

[whooty]

this makes Mousasi a great candidate.

Mousasi was a champion basically everywhere but the UFC though. Great and fun fighter though

 

[whooty]

Paul Daley?

 

[spinup]

A journeymen ranking doesn't make any sense.

Yes it does, it's the MOAT, the middest of all time.

 

[whooty]

Yes it does, it's the MOAT, the middest of all time.

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[Humongo]

Gunnar Nelson seems to fit the top journeyman list.

 

[NoStoneUnturned]

Mike Pyle
Josh Neer

 

[Harlekin]

Pretty sure we can find 50 better names

 

[Ghostoftheville]

A fighter who never won gold but fought a royalty list and was never one to shy away from being used to fight up and coners Jardine is in the tops. I’m sorry the word journeyman alludes you

Since pride FC loved seeing their stars get showcase fights, wouldn't a bunch of less capable fighters automatically get this distinction?

 

[Pequeño Corey]

I really liked when Wand hape choked him while punching his face with the other hand.


In hindsight, having the last name "Silva" appears to be the best base for beating KJ.



Almost forgot this gem. Keith doing the weird side step thing.

 

[BFoe]

Since pride FC loved seeing their stars get showcase fights, wouldn't a bunch of less capable fighters automatically get this distinction?

Probably, and I don’t necessarily mean cans. Someone like Fujita is a good pick. He’s a legit good fighter with some nice wins (and was ranked in the top 10 at one point), but really never could beat elite competition, never challenged for a title in any major org, fought in a bunch of different orgs.

 

[Pierced7681]

Greatest Journeymen of all time would be a fun list. But what qualifies as Journeyman? Never cracking the top 5?

Of the current crop I like Vincente Luque.
Also Jim Miller must be GJOAT right?

Ed Herman comes to mind too

Jim miller at one point was 20-2 and on a 7 fight win streak in the UFC before benson henderson beat him and got the title eliminator fight against Clay guida, there’s other guys like Jeremy Stephens or Joe Lauzon who fit gatekeeper a little better

 

[Mind Mine]

Since pride FC loved seeing their stars get showcase fights, wouldn't a bunch of less capable fighters automatically get this distinction?

I have no watching history of Pride FC and I was talking about the UFC specifically

 

[Mind Mine]

Good list but I'd probably put Cerrone and Nate Diaz above them, since they also had very long careers, crazy resumes and probably more quality wins than those two. As one example, Cerrone beat Miller when both were in or much closer to their primes. Donald and Nate also fought for the LW title but lost...and had fights at WW.

But I'm not sure what "best journeyman" really means. Is it different than best gatekeeper? Kongo, Bonnar, Brunson, Roy Nelson and others also come to mind.

I don’t think journeyman and gatekeeper are that far apart in definition and they shouldn’t be negative titles. I personally have Jardine over most of who you listed on terms of gatekeeper or journeyman

 

[Mind Mine]

WTF that is NOT a journeyman dude lmao... journeymen aren't contenders (for more than a blip at most)

At no point in time did many people believe Jardine was winning a belt. He competed but always as a dog. Jardine if you would like to call him gatekeeper or journeyman that is an argument for you and you alone. I think you really have a problem with terminology for a fighter who was an underdog contender in all major circumstances but was later used to never shy away from up and comers. This issue you have personally I can’t help you.

 

[DougieJones]

At no point in time did many people believe Jardine was winning a belt. He competed but always as a dog. Jardine if you would like to call him gatekeeper or journeyman that is an argument for you and you alone. I think you really have a problem with terminology for a fighter who was an underdog contender in all major circumstances but was later used to never shy away from up and comers. This issue you have personally I can’t help you.

I am not arguing that Jardine is or is not a gatekeeper, I was saying I completely disagree that a journeyman is someone who "stayed mainly fighting in the upper echelons as opposed to stopping fighters from getting there"

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[Mind Mine]

I am not arguing that Jardine is or is not a gatekeeper, I was saying I completely disagree that a journeyman is someone who "stayed mainly fighting in the upper echelons as opposed to stopping fighters from getting there"

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Then by definition Jardine being exactly what was described other than he remained a contender earlier on wouldn’t that make him an elite level journeyman? I think we are kinda splitting hairs

 

[ChrisBenoit]

Most of you don't even know what a journeyman is?

 

[DougieJones]

Then by definition Jardine being exactly what was described other than he remained a contender earlier on wouldn’t that make him an elite level journeyman? I think we are kinda splitting hairs

lol