In retrospect is Keith Jardine a top 5 journeyman all time

[Mmmmmmma1234]

What a weird thread. "Top journeyman" isn't even defined by ts. What of guys like Blaydes and Lewis are they journeyman or do they arbitrarily get bumped up as too good for the journeyman ranks. Both Cowboys fought everyone too.

 

[Yabadabaev]

Kevin Holland ?

 

[Pequeño Corey]

Just two off the top of my head at LW

JIM MILLER with wins over:
Cerrone (sub)
Guida (sub)
Thiago Alves (UD)
Lauzon X2
Gomi (TKO)
Guillard (sub)
Charles Oliviera (sub)
Tibau (UD)

MICHAEL JOHNSON with wins over:
Poirier (KO)
Barboza (UD)
Guillard (UD)
Tibau (KO)
Lauzon (UD)
Prime Tony (UD)

I bet there's plenty more guys that have an amazing resume without ever getting top 5 status or a title shot.

Of course it ultimately depends on your definition of "journeyman" though. I would list the above more as "GGOAT" for gatekeepers

Yes exactly! MJ doesn’t quite get his due in these conversations. Came the closest to KO’ing Khabib out of anyone.

 

[Here's Johnny!]

this makes Mousasi a great candidate.

That's a great one

 

[Mind Mine]

What a weird thread. "Top journeyman" isn't even defined by ts. What of guys like Blaydes and Lewis are they journeyman or do they arbitrarily get bumped up as too good for the journeyman ranks. Both Cowboys fought everyone too.

You were born in a town full of whiny weirdos and when people start praising old mma figures in your town it’s normal for your townies to act a cunt. I don’t blame you. Just keep that bitch shit in town. Respect

 

[Mind Mine]

Yes exactly! MJ doesn’t quite get his due in these conversations. Came the closest to KO’ing Khabib out of anyone.

I think Jardine falls more on the journeyman side because he stayed mainly fighting in the upper echelons as opposed to stopping fighters from getting there but I think there truly is no clear distinction between the two

 

[mkt]

Just two off the top of my head at LW

JIM MILLER with wins over:
Cerrone (sub)
Guida (sub)
Thiago Alves (UD)
Lauzon X2
Gomi (TKO)
Guillard (sub)
Charles Oliviera (sub)
Tibau (UD)

MICHAEL JOHNSON with wins over:
Poirier (KO)
Barboza (UD)
Guillard (UD)
Tibau (KO)
Lauzon (UD)
Prime Tony (UD)

I bet there's plenty more guys that have an amazing resume without ever getting top 5 status or a title shot.

Of course it ultimately depends on your definition of "journeyman" though. I would list the above more as "GGOAT" for gatekeepers

Good list but I'd probably put Cerrone and Nate Diaz above them, since they also had very long careers, crazy resumes and probably more quality wins than those two. As one example, Cerrone beat Miller when both were in or much closer to their primes. Donald and Nate also fought for the LW title but lost...and had fights at WW.

But I'm not sure what "best journeyman" really means. Is it different than best gatekeeper? Kongo, Bonnar, Brunson, Roy Nelson and others also come to mind.

 

[mkt]

Jardine showed how puzzling MMA can be. Got KO'd by Travis Wiuff (very early in his career), Houston Alexander, an old Wand, Rockhold (boxing was his weakest skill) and Thiago Silva....but stood toe-to-toe with Rampage and Mousasi without being finished. And the post-UFC Jardine who fought Mousasi was well past his best days.

 

[kuroro]

A journeymen ranking doesn't make any sense.

are some better than others? okay then it makes sense.

 

[dog y]

He got insanely arrogant after the Chuck win, was being all condescending to Wanderlei Silva at the glove touch. As a Pride disciple I was deeply offended by that sacrilege, and it was wonderful to see the result.

He wasn't being condescending, just herky jerky. I loathed the jerky shit comment so much and the midget would repeat it 700 times.
Anyway, ole Wanderlei rape chocked and carcassed the Viking into jerky.
"Jardine on the outsi... Wanderlei on the inside!"

 

[PreservedSwine]

Big brain thread, appreciate throwing love to these guys who weren't top tier.
Long career with little to no chance of being champ. Fate kept Bisping, Griffin, and a few others off this list. But to me, Clay Guida holds the title.

 

[ThaiSexPills]

I call guys like that gatekeepers. Journeyman is a bum.

 

[BFoe]

this makes Mousasi a great candidate.

That's a great one

A journeyman isn’t just someone who fought in several orgs, it’s someone who is decent in their sport but not outstanding. Mousasi won championships in 4 different orgs, he’s not remotely close to being a journeyman.

 

[theincognito]

Jardine wasn't top 5 anything nor even all that good.

 

[BEATDOWNS]

Poor guy got paid 14K to beat Chuck Liddell who got paid 500K lmao

 

[BEATDOWNS]

Me a couple times a year when Keith Jardine pops up in a movie i'm watching

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Tait Fletcher too! lol

 

[Flower2dPeople]

He's south african, middle-weight version was able to hold on to the belt for a while.

 

[jeskola]

Tait Fletcher too! lol

according to ChatGPT, Fletcher and Jardine have been in 4 movies together as well haha

 

[DragRacer]

Hardline gave The Punisher all he could handle, that’s gotta count for something.

 

[DougieJones]

I think Jardine falls more on the journeyman side because he stayed mainly fighting in the upper echelons as opposed to stopping fighters from getting there but I think there truly is no clear distinction between the two

WTF that is NOT a journeyman dude lmao... journeymen aren't contenders (for more than a blip at most)