In retrospect how huge was wandy-chuck?

Fun fight to watch, but both were coming off back to back losses.

Should have happened in 2005
 
The Schmoop said:
Hendo 1-CroCop 2 Easily. That was in no way wanderleis Physical or skill set prime lol not even debatable
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LMFAOOO. ..he fought tito the same year he fought henderson 1 ...so he wasnt in prime in april of 2000 but December of the same year he was ?


STFU.....WOW
 
The Schmoop said:
No, Tito won and likely wins 9/10 times
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Depends. Under Pride rules without elbows, you could beat LnP with sub attempts since attempts to finish a fight were weighted far more heavily than takedowns.

but yeah, wasn't lnp...Tito was active w/ gnp in that fight
 
Tito *was* a bad matchup for Wanderlei (especially in a cage), but about the earliest you could reasonably start Wanderlei's prime (IMO) was late 2001, after winning the Middleweight Championship. I personally mark his prime as Saku 2 to Rampage 2, which was about a three year period (13 fights however).

That's a seven fight period of time between fighting Tito and winning the belt, even if it's a short period of calendar time.

Who was Wanderlei's best win before fighting Tito?
 
TheAmericanGazelle said:
Tito *was* a bad matchup for Wanderlei (especially in a cage), but about the earliest you could reasonably start Wanderlei's prime (IMO) was late 2001, after winning the Middleweight Championship. I personally mark his prime as Saku 2 to Rampage 2, which was about a three year period (13 fights however).

That's a seven fight period of time between fighting Tito and winning the belt, even if it's a short period of calendar time.

Who was Wanderlei's best win before fighting Tito?
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He had great fights in His bare knuckle matches.
 
Had to
TheAmericanGazelle said:
Tito *was* a bad matchup for Wanderlei (especially in a cage), but about the earliest you could reasonably start Wanderlei's prime (IMO) was late 2001, after winning the Middleweight Championship. I personally mark his prime as Saku 2 to Rampage 2, which was about a three year period (13 fights however).

That's a seven fight period of time between fighting Tito and winning the belt, even if it's a short period of calendar time.

Who was Wanderlei's best win before fighting Tito?
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had to look it up...probably Van Arsdale
 
Eiffel-sixtyFight said:
But you know how the Japanese do business.
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The fight would've happened if Liddell didn't get stomped out by Rampage.

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bjpenngoat said:
I remember when that fight finally happened it was something huge. The idea of a champ vs champ happened even though they had both lost twice coming into the match. It definitely softened the impact of the match leading up to it, and it didnt change the landscape of the division, but imo it did not kill the overall magic of the moment.

Its something I'll never forget. Very few fights had me so pumped, and in the moment, as that one. At the time i knew I was watching something historical taking place.

As the years have passed it seems less important than many fights that have since happened, but to me this was an all time thrill.
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Didnt hit anywhere near the same

If they fought in pride or close to it, it would've been a monumental event.

I was a diehard pride fan, started watching mma with pride and I didnt feel shit when it happened.

They were both at 40% of their full potential. It was like Floyd pac but like twice as bad.
 
Paolo Delutis said:
LMFAOOO. ..he fought tito the same year he fought henderson 1 ...so he wasnt in prime in april of 2000 but December of the same year he was ?


STFU.....WOW
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Your prime doesn’t begin on a loss, dipshit. What quality victory did Wanderlei have prior to Henderson?
 
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TheAmericanGazelle said:
Tito *was* a bad matchup for Wanderlei (especially in a cage), but about the earliest you could reasonably start Wanderlei's prime (IMO) was late 2001, after winning the Middleweight Championship. I personally mark his prime as Saku 2 to Rampage 2, which was about a three year period (13 fights however).

That's a seven fight period of time between fighting Tito and winning the belt, even if it's a short period of calendar time.

Who was Wanderlei's best win before fighting Tito?
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I start Wanderleis prime at Hendo 1 and run it roughly to Cro cop 2. Henderson was Wanderleis first real benchmark win, imo. It’s a liberal time frame, I’m aware, but I won’t diminish what Cro cop did that night by saying Wanderlei was past his prime. No one was beating CroCop that night or in that tournament in general. Wanderlei never recovered from that fight.
 
The Schmoop said:
Your prime doesn’t begin on a loss, dipshit. What quality victory did Wanderlei have prior to Henderson?
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Oh well that's just convienent ....his prime just happened to start right after the tito lost lmao...

Come on bud... nothing changed between april 2000 and dec 2000...

It was his prime and he lost...tito is a horrible match up just like chael was years later ... wanderlei was like 13 And 2 going into the tito fight...he was no amatuer or scrub he fought vitor already by this time...tito was 4 and 2 going in... If anything tito was just entering his prime and silva was in it already.. silva was on 5 fight win streak and tito was coming off a loss to frank shamrock...both fighters went on winning streaks after this fight...




Tito now and tito then would stomp wanderlei....
 
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Paolo Delutis said:
Oh well that's just convienent ....his prime just happened to start right after the tito lost lmao...

Come on bud... nothing changed between april 2000 and dec 2000...

It was his prime and he lost...tito is a horrible match up just like chael was years later ... wanderlei was like 13 And 2 going into the tito fight...he was no amatuer or scrub ...tito was 4 and 2 going in... If anything tito was just entering his prime and silva was in it already.. silva was on 5 fight win streak and tito was coming off a loss to frank shamrock...both fighters went on winning streaks after this fight...




Tito now and tito then would stomp wanderlei....
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You don’t have to agree with my logic but no one starts their prime off with with a decisive loss. Are you retarded?

I literally just said that a few posts ago. Tito beats wand at any stage of their careers 9/10 times. Probably would’ve struggled a little more under pride rules but prime wand isn’t stopping prime Tito’s double. Love Wanderlei but Tito is a stylistic nightmare.
 
it wouldn't been much bigger if it happened 2-4 years before it happened for sure. undebatable
 
I was pretty meh about the fight by the time it happened. Wendy was pretty washed & Chuck was in clear decline

plus neither of them were guys I really cheered for

glad to hear from other posters who loved it. The fight itself was fun.

those guys with Pride rules 2004 or 2005 would have been epic
 
The Schmoop said:
You don’t have to agree with my logic but no one starts their prime off with with a decisive loss. Are you retarded?

I literally just said that a few posts ago. Tito beats wand at any stage of their careers 9/10 times. Probably would’ve struggled a little more under pride rules but prime wand isn’t stopping prime Tito’s double. Love Wanderlei but Tito is a stylistic nightmare.
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Ok fair enough...

Perhaps i over stepped alittle its just some guys on here when it comes to wanderlei and pride go crazy ...

Wanderlei was great dont get me wrong...he was intensity and aggression personified but styles make fights and he got alot of lets say similar style match ups over in japan vs other regions hes fought in
 
For me it was the fight I looked forward to the most in mma history. More than Fedor vs CC.

There's clearly a lot of noobs here now that weren't watching back then and certainly weren't sherdoggers back then. IF you were a sherdogger back then, then you know what I'm talking about.

The amount of debate about UFC vs PRIDE alone, then specifically the Chuck vs Wand debates around here were legendary. It was amazing. I like most others wished the fight would've happened back in 03. But even when it did happen, I remember there was a group of us watching it and I said 'i can't believe i'm actually about to see this!' And I really meant it. I couldn't believe it was FINALLY happening. And it was one of the rare superfight matchups that lived up to the hype.

In all of mma history has there rarely been 2 fighters that were so perfectly matched up. Both were THE poster boys of their respective orgs. Both were killers. Straight up warriors who went out to destroy their opponents. Both strikers with legitimate ground skills. And both fought at the same weight. And we had been teased with their matchup so many times before, just to be let down when it didn't happen. And when it finally did happen, both of them were still somehow comparable. Both had just lost 2 fights each. But they were both still 2 killers, just shy of their primes. And man, that fight didn't disappoint. It was full of sudden back and forth momentum shifts, with either guy looking like he was about to finish the other at any moment.

I'm honestly not sure the fight we got was actually more dramatic than what it might've been in 03.
 
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